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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#621 - 2012-04-13 09:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Lapine Davion wrote:
ITT, extremist imperialist entity = people playing a video game wanting to have fun


That is a dishonest summary. Its not people wanting to play a video game wanting to have fun that's the issue. The problem is people prepared to use RL harrassment, e-stalking and bullying to attempt to "win" said game. Goons play by different rules to traditional eve players; believing that attacks against the out of game identity of players is a proper means of playing the game. Hence "extremist". The imperialism comes from wanting to make their culture the dominant one (listen to Mittani's own rhetoric) - I'm really not saying anything here the goonswarm doesn't already rejoice in.

Lapine Davion wrote:
Ah, I read a bit more into La Maison. I think the reason that Goonswarm hates you so much is because of your connection to BoB.


I didn't really have that much of a connection to BoB truth be told. I knew players there, had good corp standings with Reikoku for early game reasons. And I helped encourage proto BoB (the corps and alliances that would later form it) to get involved with the Great Northern War to help me get revenge on Pheonix Alliance in Venal of course. What goonswarm hates me for in this respect is that I publicly spoke up against the method of their final victory (the alliance name theft and squatting as a means of combat). I did (and still do) consider it poor gameplay that a player group's identity can be so easily removed from the game without the neccessity to actually complete a war in space.

By concluding the conflict with BoB by simply disbanding their alliance I think the goons robbed themselves (and Eve as a whole) from a proper conclusion to the story and made a mockery of Eve the space opera in favour of eve the metagaming drama pit.

Now of course, I've also stood up against those mocking people in their RL grief, or for those who have been bullied out of the game, or indeed for those who have had their RL professions dragged to these forums as metagame ammunition in the form of RL personal attacks.

Does anyone really need to know that SirMolle repairs central heating systems (or whatever) for a living? Why should that be relevant to anyone playing a spaceship game? Why did we get the white collar vs blue collar supremacy nonsense in goons vs bob flamefests on coad? Does the fact that 5000 goons follow a legal clerk really make them individually superior to a couple of thousand players following a self-employed mechanic? What the hell really. Its surreal and sad.

Lapine Davion wrote:
And you're still upset about that guy that died.


I flew with the guy about once in the GNW, he seemed a decent guy on comms. But whether I knew him well or not the fact remains that the mocking of a dead player is not appropriate behaviour for players of this game in my eyes. It would be more accurate to say I'm deeply disapproving of goons over this.


Lapine Davion wrote:
You know, Goons had a guy who killed himself. He was well loved in the community, too. They still make fun of him.


Who is "they"? Not me or anyone in my alliance or anyone I consider in a good light in this game I assure you.

Lapine Davion wrote:
Face it, the only way Goons would go away is if CCP killed the sandbox. So you would have to kill off the game you enjoy to get them to leave.


Well either that or if CCP introduced sterner rules against OOC harrassment, e-stalking, and general out of game bullying. If a couple of senior goons got caught up in that then its fairly likely the rest of the swarm would rage-quit in sympathy. Imagine if Mittani had been permanently banned fo the fanfest incident.

But again you need to understand.

I have zero issue with in-game actions the goons take in Eve Online. Ganking, scamming, 0.0 nonsense. Blobbing and napping anyone in sight. Whatever really. As long is it happens within the game rules its all fair.

What I dislike is those goons who take eve beyond the spaceship game into the realm of personal out of game harrassment and rl stalking of identities, workplaces, with the goal of driving people out of eve so they can "win" the metagame.

This is the stuff that needs to end. And this is the stuff CCP will need to intervene to prevent before somebody ends up dead over it.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Killer Gandry
Fenghuang Corporation
Ethnobotanical Demonolatry
#622 - 2012-04-13 11:08:34 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:

It was a nasty, but still nicer game back then.


It was a game back then. What it has become isn't a game anymore.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
Pandemic Legion
#623 - 2012-04-13 12:38:57 UTC
VCBee 180
State War Academy
Caldari State
#624 - 2012-04-13 15:42:08 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:

It was a nasty, but still nicer game back then.


It was a game back then. What it has become isn't a game anymore.


welp, we've got another poster absolutely obsessed with us. All you do is post about goons in CAOD and jita park, i pity you.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#625 - 2012-04-13 15:55:46 UTC
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Who is "they"? Not me or anyone in my alliance or anyone I consider in a good light in this game I assure you.


By "they" I meant Goons. And by the guy who killed himself, I meant RoyofCA. Who as I understand it was well liked. What I mean by all this is that Goons will make fun of whatever they want, especially if it will get a rise.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#626 - 2012-04-13 16:33:01 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:


You've brought this on yourselves.

That's how it works in the world of adults: Actions carry consequences, often far-reaching and unintended.

Welcome to the real world, pun intended!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

None ofthe Above
#627 - 2012-04-13 16:37:55 UTC
Issler,

Any chance you could call for a lock on this thread?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#628 - 2012-04-13 17:24:33 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Quote:
Who is "they"? Not me or anyone in my alliance or anyone I consider in a good light in this game I assure you.


By "they" I meant Goons. And by the guy who killed himself, I meant RoyofCA. Who as I understand it was well liked. What I mean by all this is that Goons will make fun of whatever they want, especially if it will get a rise.


So you are defending the conduct of goons in mocking the RL death of an Eve player in an enemy alliance by pointing out that they also mock the RL suicide's of their friends?

Colour me unimpressed.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#629 - 2012-04-13 17:57:05 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Issler,

Any chance you could call for a lock on this thread?


I will see what I can do, I think it has run its course. Thanks to the folks that understood why I felt I had to start it and again, sorry to the other CSM for how it might have been taken.

Issler
ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#630 - 2012-04-13 18:17:28 UTC
Thread locked at the OP's request.

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