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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Henriette Malia Alette
Doomheim
#261 - 2012-03-28 02:11:47 UTC
Doctor Eezee wrote:
Oh snap, missed the snipe.

Also we saw the chatlog from The Wis, he didn't even remember that mail...



Assuming it was real.
The picture of another chatlog contradicts it.

D Derp
Savannah Logistics
#262 - 2012-03-28 02:13:00 UTC  |  Edited by: D Derp
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vorlain wrote:
Two step wrote:
Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term.


How is coming out to condemn something that need's condemning causing a **** storm? pretty sure Mittani created that don't you think? If you are saying you are going to make another CSM's life more difficult and block what they do in the CSM on the basis of coming out and condemning what happened then you don't deserve to be on the CSM.

You are there to represent us and have our interests at heart, not to be some upset fanboi. If you can't work for the betterment of eve you don't belong there. The CSM needs to make it clear it doesn't support what happened, and that's all Issy did.

Oh and if you can't work with them for saying it, I take it you won't work with Mittani for coming out and saying pretty much the same thing, pretty sure he didn't run his apology by you and got your permission before posting it. Or are you going to just ignore that and be a hypocrite?


No idea who you are guy without an avatar but thats a good post and I'm happy to give you a support for it.
Completely agree.


Going off this post and the regdates of both the accounts, I'm betting it's yours. Mostly because that would be funny, and you're... you.


e; then again that post didnt seem to be written with a thesaurus
D Derp
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#263 - 2012-03-28 02:14:52 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
D Derp wrote:
Vorlain wrote:
Two step wrote:
Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term.


How is coming out to condemn something that need's condemning causing a **** storm? pretty sure Mittani created that don't you think? If you are saying you are going to make another CSM's life more difficult and block what they do in the CSM on the basis of coming out and condemning what happened then you don't deserve to be on the CSM.

You are there to represent us and have our interests at heart, not to be some upset fanboi. If you can't work for the betterment of eve you don't belong there. The CSM needs to make it clear it doesn't support what happened, and that's all Issy did.

Oh and if you can't work with them for saying it, I take it you won't work with Mittani for coming out and saying pretty much the same thing, pretty sure he didn't run his apology by you and got your permission before posting it. Or are you going to just ignore that and be a hypocrite?


Nice alt bro. Mind posting the same on your main?


He's probably worried that 10,000 goons will be ordered to troll him into suicide.



Because there are 10,000 goons in eve. You're adorable.
Taiwanistan
#264 - 2012-03-28 02:15:03 UTC
are the bears roaring now dowager issler

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#265 - 2012-03-28 02:17:33 UTC
D Derp wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vorlain wrote:
Two step wrote:
Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term.


How is coming out to condemn something that need's condemning causing a **** storm? pretty sure Mittani created that don't you think? If you are saying you are going to make another CSM's life more difficult and block what they do in the CSM on the basis of coming out and condemning what happened then you don't deserve to be on the CSM.

You are there to represent us and have our interests at heart, not to be some upset fanboi. If you can't work for the betterment of eve you don't belong there. The CSM needs to make it clear it doesn't support what happened, and that's all Issy did.

Oh and if you can't work with them for saying it, I take it you won't work with Mittani for coming out and saying pretty much the same thing, pretty sure he didn't run his apology by you and got your permission before posting it. Or are you going to just ignore that and be a hypocrite?


No idea who you are guy without an avatar but thats a good post and I'm happy to give you a support for it.
Completely agree.


Going off this post and the regdates of both the accounts, I'm betting it's yours. Mostly because that would be funny, and you're... you.


e; then again that post didnt seem to be written with a thesaurus


Hmmm hasn't the last half dozen years of relentlessly mocking you people proven I really don't have the slightest inkling of fear for tubby neckbeard spaceship cultists and no need whatsoever for anonymous sockpuppets....

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#266 - 2012-03-28 02:22:51 UTC
Vorlain wrote:
Two step wrote:
Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term.


How is coming out to condemn something that need's condemning causing a **** storm? pretty sure Mittani created that don't you think? If you are saying you are going to make another CSM's life more difficult and block what they do in the CSM on the basis of coming out and condemning what happened then you don't deserve to be on the CSM.

....

Oh and if you can't work with them for saying it, I take it you won't work with Mittani for ....


Way to twist Two Step's words into something he never said.

Go forth, sully the chances of getting those two CSMs to properly talk to each other.

D Derp
Savannah Logistics
#267 - 2012-03-28 02:25:35 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Hmmm hasn't the last half dozen years of relentlessly mocking you people proven I really don't have the slightest inkling of fear for tubby neckbeard spaceship cultists and no need whatsoever for anonymous sockpuppets....


I will give you credit where credit is due. You post poorly on your main. That puts you above at least 95% of people here.

But that was mainly meant as a swipe against whoever owns that sockpuppet. (It was you wasn't it)
Henriette Malia Alette
Doomheim
#268 - 2012-03-28 02:26:33 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
My statement on the Mitanni (and incidentally Issler "accepting" his apology though she sure doesn't act like it)

For me statement on Isslergate: At this point, you're doing more harm to the CSM than anything Mitanni has done. And I'd tell you that in person if you bothered talking to the rest of us.


I'm pretty sure when the players in multiple threads in general asked what the CSM thought of the incident they expected an answer in the forums, not in a private Skype channel.

Sorry, but this didn't need a hive mind meeting to come up with a cleverly crafted collective message. The rest of the CSM staying quiet is what is damaging the CSM.

Ask yourself what your message from your silence is to the people the elected you.

Even if the other CSM members had share something as simple as "Yes, it seems as though many found the action offensive we are happy to see Mittens has offered an apology in the forums and we are working with CCP to make sure the best interests of the players and Eve in general are the focus of whatever action results from their investigation." you would have been better than trying to focus this on me because I responded to the players and took a stand.

I've said what I needed to say. I hope the other CSM will now give the players what they deserve when they elected you.

As for Skype and not talking to you, not really an option while I'm at work, sorry. I'll be on soon enough, can't wait for that. Roll

Issler


1. I think the players deserve more than knee jerk reactions, or in your case gleeful political dog piling, when they ask us for answers on this or any issue.



Here's a hint, i voted for her, and im an alt player.. corp members voted for her, alliance menbers voted for her.. I WANT to know what MY representative thinks, and what she wanna do. I dont need another fubar person whom cant think or write his/her own opinion, hiding in a large group hoping this either blows over, or CCP acts,. so they dont have to.


Vorlain
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#269 - 2012-03-28 02:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vorlain
Hey maybe I like being a sockpuppet? been doing it for 7+ years might as well continue the trend right? Never the less it doesn't lesson the message does it?

I am not attacking nor defending mittani or anyone else really, just saying it as I see it.

Henriette Malia Alette wrote:

I WANT to know what MY representative thinks.


I think a lot of people do and I think that is their right. Before and during the election CSM transparency was a greatly discussed topic when it came to things like the minutes. People want to know what their rep says and thinks and I think the CSM in general would do well to engage with their electorates throughout their CSM term and let it be known what they think so people aren't left guessing this guise of preventing a unified face only goes so far.

That is not to say we want to see heated CSM debates unfold in public, that should happen behind closed doors without fear of public reprisal else it will stifle the effectiveness of the CSM in general, but afterwards and before the individual CSM's should make their positions known weather through blogging, other media or posts on the forums.
D Derp
Savannah Logistics
#270 - 2012-03-28 02:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: D Derp
Henriette Malia Alette wrote:

Here's a hint, i voted for her, and im an alt player.. corp members voted for her, alliance menbers voted for her.. I WANT to know what MY representative thinks, and what she wanna do. I dont need another fubar person whom cant think or write his/her own opinion, hiding in a large group hoping this either blows over, or CCP acts,. so they dont have to.




You voted for her with an alt. Grats. Welcome to CSM elections.


Vorlain wrote:
Hey maybe I like being a sockpuppet? been doing it for 7+ years might as well continue the trend right? Never the less it doesn't lesson the message does it?

I am not attacking nor defending mittani or anyone else really, just saying it as I see it.


It kind of does. Sockpuppet posting is the white noise of the eve-o forums.

e; to clarify, for someone who likely doesn't get it. It tells me that you're likely some form of troll.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#271 - 2012-03-28 02:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
D Derp wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Hmmm hasn't the last half dozen years of relentlessly mocking you people proven I really don't have the slightest inkling of fear for tubby neckbeard spaceship cultists and no need whatsoever for anonymous sockpuppets....


I will give you credit where credit is due. You post poorly on your main. That puts you above at least 95% of people here.

But that was mainly meant as a swipe against whoever owns that sockpuppet. (It was you wasn't it)


I'll tell you what mmm "Doctor Derp" is it?

If I'm ever in need of a posting critique from a no-name goonswarm recruit with a penchant for third hand memes handed down from bad posters of yesteryear I'll look you up okay? But until then I'll soldier on regardless. Chin chin and all that!

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#272 - 2012-03-28 02:35:21 UTC
Two step wrote:
Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term. You do realize that the election is over, and now is the time to work together for the good of the people that voted for us, not to try to stir up a shitstorm?


I'd vote for you as chairman. If such a vote was to come up.
Henriette Malia Alette
Doomheim
#273 - 2012-03-28 02:35:28 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Sure she could probably be handling it better, could have waited to say something, could have done skype from a laptop or something, could be in coms somehow whatever. But I do get the impression she is at least in tune with the understanding a lot of us have about how far off message into the hinterlands of lunacy the current CSM chair has gone.

IMO, Issler is doing more damage to the CSM than The Mittani did with his drunken outburst. The Mittani will probably just fade away. Issler, on the other hand, we seem to be stuck with.



We can put it to the test you know.. our news are a bit boring.. im sure i can get some news channel to pick it up..i even be fair.. i give them a link to Mitanni's performance on the fanfeast, and one to Issler's statement.. wanna beat which one gonna be in the news?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#274 - 2012-03-28 02:37:30 UTC
michaelthered wrote:
D Derp wrote:
BringerMC wrote:
D Derp wrote:
BringerMC wrote:

I am in the military and if anyone ever did anything like that specially in the publics eye they would be demoted and have a field grade article 15 slammed on them. Pretty sure if you work for any company and do that you will also probably get canned. Would not be suprised if the CCP employee that was at the event doesn't get fired or at the least a suspension.


My god, do you take being in your country's armed forces as seriously as you do eve, or do you take this videogame as seriously as you do the military? Which is it?


What he did was in the public and acting as a Person not a player behind a screen. He did not do it in an inpersonal fashion. He was live in person telling people to tell another living human being to commit suicide.

Its one thing in game to say things but telling another person in game or in person to commit suicide that says they are suicidal is the wrong answer. When it comes to a beating heart and blood in the viens that is real life mate.


And once again another person on eve-o misses the point that people like Wis, especially on the internet, claim to be suicidal or have x problem to garner sympathy -all the damn time-. It's common, even. Especially among the younger crowd.

Yes, mittens did a dumb thing, but comparing his actions and him being on the CSM to being court marshaled or whatever is just ever so slightly blowing things out of proportion.



except that it's a very real possiblity he may get sued irl. And any of u mouthbreathing pubies that actually emailed wis a "do it man" email......that's stepping in it. I hate things like this end up getting settled in court. These things were meant to be settled like grown ass men. Alas I speak of a world long gone unfortunately.


This post is cyber-bullying of your poor English teacher who probably killed herself IRL.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#275 - 2012-03-28 02:40:08 UTC
Henriette Malia Alette wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Sure she could probably be handling it better, could have waited to say something, could have done skype from a laptop or something, could be in coms somehow whatever. But I do get the impression she is at least in tune with the understanding a lot of us have about how far off message into the hinterlands of lunacy the current CSM chair has gone.

IMO, Issler is doing more damage to the CSM than The Mittani did with his drunken outburst. The Mittani will probably just fade away. Issler, on the other hand, we seem to be stuck with.



We can put it to the test you know.. our news are a bit boring.. im sure i can get some news channel to pick it up..i even be fair.. i give them a link to Mitanni's performance on the fanfeast, and one to Issler's statement.. wanna beat which one gonna be in the news?


Oh you'd get the effect you would want. But it would kind of blow the whole e-bushido "We want him to step down for EEEVEEEE" point out of the water and prove what all the whining in this forum is really about: the wrong man won the CSM chair. I couldn't be arsed to vote. Now I'm outraged.
D Derp
Savannah Logistics
#276 - 2012-03-28 02:40:08 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
D Derp wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Hmmm hasn't the last half dozen years of relentlessly mocking you people proven I really don't have the slightest inkling of fear for tubby neckbeard spaceship cultists and no need whatsoever for anonymous sockpuppets....


I will give you credit where credit is due. You post poorly on your main. That puts you above at least 95% of people here.

But that was mainly meant as a swipe against whoever owns that sockpuppet. (It was you wasn't it)


I'll tell you what mmm "Doctor Derp" is it?

If I'm ever in need of a posting critique from a no-name goonswarm recruit with a penchant for third hand memes handed down from bad posters of yesteryear I'll look you up okay? But until then I'll soldier old regardless. Chin chin and all that!



To receive such a sick :iceburn: from Jade Constantine himself, it is an honor! But if I ever need the opinion of an irrelevant idiot as to my lack of internet fame, I know who to ask!
Chin Chin Fly safe o7o7o7 and all that!


Ceo of The xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
D Derp
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#277 - 2012-03-28 02:47:27 UTC
D Derp wrote:

To receive such a sick :iceburn: from Jade Constantine himself, it is an honor! But if I ever need the opinion of an irrelevant idiot as to my lack of internet fame, I know who to ask!
Chin Chin Fly safe o7o7o7 and all that!


Ceo of The xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
D Derp


No no, when you want to belittle Jade Constantine you point out that he ran a brothel in a video game about spaceships.

Meanwhile Second Life is right around the corner.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#278 - 2012-03-28 02:55:59 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
D Derp wrote:

To receive such a sick :iceburn: from Jade Constantine himself, it is an honor! But if I ever need the opinion of an irrelevant idiot as to my lack of internet fame, I know who to ask!
Chin Chin Fly safe o7o7o7 and all that!


Ceo of The xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
D Derp


No no, when you want to belittle Jade Constantine you point out that he ran a brothel in a video game about spaceships.

Meanwhile Second Life is right around the corner.


Isn't second life that game with the boutiques and giant dongs where the goonswarm last proved slightly relevant?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

D Derp
Savannah Logistics
#279 - 2012-03-28 03:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: D Derp
Jade Constantine wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
D Derp wrote:

To receive such a sick :iceburn: from Jade Constantine himself, it is an honor! But if I ever need the opinion of an irrelevant idiot as to my lack of internet fame, I know who to ask!
Chin Chin Fly safe o7o7o7 and all that!


Ceo of The xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
D Derp


No no, when you want to belittle Jade Constantine you point out that he ran a brothel in a video game about spaceships.

Meanwhile Second Life is right around the corner.


Isn't second life that game with the boutiques and giant dongs where the goonswarm last proved slightly relevant?


It's the game with brothels and furries and lots of yiffing and dongs where a few goons set up shop, called themselves w-hat or something, and got banned. If what SmilingVagrant said was true, then it's probably right up your alley. Except perhaps for the furry thing.

And maybe you're unaware ,but goons come from somethingawful.com. Also, not everyone there is in goonwaffe!


edit: If there's a game out there, goons likely play it! WoW, SW:ToR, that startrek game, Rift, even Runescape!
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#280 - 2012-03-28 03:02:16 UTC
Henriette Malia Alette wrote:
We can put it to the test you know.. our news are a bit boring.. im sure i can get some news channel to pick it up..i even be fair.. i give them a link to Mitanni's performance on the fanfeast, and one to Issler's statement.. wanna beat which one gonna be in the news?

The Mittani is most likely going away. Issler, within days of winning a seat, is already belittling her colleagues and players of this game. The Mittani is not going to be on the CSM anymore. Issler has a year to be completely divisive. Tell me again who is doing more damage to the CSM?

News outlets have nothing to do with it.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.