Jita Park Speakers Corner

"white knight moral crusaders"....said with such sarcasm and derision as if people being repulsed by someone petitioning people to troll another human being to kill himself for really no particular good reason, can't really think of a good reason but I digress. That's a really irritating sentiment.....mocking being a decent human being. wtf?

Issler

I believe before you come out calling for Mittens to stand down you should work with your fellow CSM 7 members. At this point it just sounds like your headhunting and trying to push your OWN personal agenda. So how about you get off your soapbox and work with the CSM elect before someone starts a recall thread for you.

The only thing that is being consistently asked of Issler is that she participate in CSM discussions before trying to discredit all of us because we didn't all rush to publish scathing remarks alongside her. If that's being scapegoated, so be it. I don't think its too much to ask that we discuss things among ourselves before making public statements.

Especially for those of us that are new to the council, I don't see any value in refusing to listen to every party involved first and foremost. Not just to the players, but to Alex, and to the CCP staff as well. It's a bit unfair to say that because most of us would prefer to get a full 360-degree view of the situation before speaking about it that it means we are somehow "closing ranks", or "laughing it off", or letting "the wizard" tell us what to say.

Do your really think you should be weighing in on a debate, if you can't read a simple table? It's really not so hard to understand, so maybe take a good hard look at it again and you may see that 0 players under 30 days voted and the players you refer to were indeed 30-250 days old.

How do you expect anyone to respect your opinion if you are blatantly lieing or too stupid to read.

Jade, you've pretty much explicitly stated you're not concerned about condeming what Mitanni said, for you this is about condeming Mitanni's approach to the chairmanship.

Attacking the CSM for being silent and then attacking the many of us who posted stuff.. you dont have to do that. We get it.

I've said I don't believe his actions are appropriate for the chair of the CSM in Eve Online and he's brought the game into disrepute on a significant out of character level. I think its also quite arguable that he has breached eula/tos and there is a real danger of him being treated differently to another player who did these things.



I'm not attacking you guys for being :silent: while you discuss who the new chair is and how to announce the outcomes. I'm attacking you for coming out of a gate and declaring your loyalty and support to Mittani as the csm chair before you even have any kind of discussion about this.

If you can't see how those statements pretty much make a sham out of the current "discussions" then *shrug* really. It looks damned fishy.

OK first things first.

It's pretty obvious that Issler doesn't give a damn about The Wis, this whole thread is just some weird soap boxing power play. Maybe she thinks the CSM works like The Highlander and if she can take out all the CSMs above her she gets to be chairman v0v


Second. If this was just eve players beefing with one another in our own little enclosure then I'd say go for it. Run around the monkey house hooting as loud as you want flinging poo at one another. But I don't know if you've looked at The Escapist or Massively this morning. It's not just us, we are in the spot light now, try to act like adults.

Maybe if your politically motivated rant is loud enough you'll attract the attention of that one lady on Fox News. Who I am sure will treat Eve with the same level of respect and nuance as she did Mass Effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

This is probably the best reason to present a unified message. Something like, "Eve is a good game full of good people. It is also a harsh game and we have some harsh people. We have one bad guy. He has done some bad things. He's very sorry for doing bad things. And steps have been taken to make sure bad things never happen again."

Also an "I'm not dead" statement from The Wis would help too.


Third, Fanfest will probably never be the same. You'll probably see two things out of this. People's power point slides will be more heavily screened before they are let on stage to cut out anything that could be offensive to anyone. And the hard alcohol will probably be downgraded to beer. Also the broadcast might be delayed by a few minutes from the event so that CCP can censor out anything embarrassing.


Fourth, depending on what we sacrifice on the altar of the PR Gods to appease their wrath, the entire eve social landscape will be very different. You could ban all of The Mittanni's accounts, take him off the CSM, and take away all the GSF tech moons or whatever. Then you create an environment where butthurt becomes an effective tactical strategy.

Every petition CCP gets will be prefaced with a tale of woe and suffering that will make "Precious: a book by Sapphire" look like an episode of "Spongebob Squarepants". Every Jita scammer will be Goldman Sachs, and every suicide gank will be 9/11.

Go back and watch the rest of the alliance panel. It was 90% smack-talk. People were being ransomed and forced to sing over comms under the threat of losing something expensive. Then they were publicly shamed on a public broadcast for their awful singing voices. I thought this bit was pretty funny and kind of cute, but hypothetically if one jilted player was enraged about his forced karaoke, and the forum butthurt got OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAND!!! Then Mr. Wormhole could find himself in the same hot water.

Sigh, this thread now adds a 2nd CSM-member to the list of trying-their-best-to-****-over-CSM8.

Issler Dainze, go silent for a few days and talk to CSM/CCP. Do you think this self-righteous stand over The Mittani's fuckup on the evo-o-forums is going to help anybody?

While The Mittani made a drunken mistake and will undoubtedly pay for it, no matter how idiotic the entire situation is, Issler is using it for political grandstanding. The issue is not that Issler made a statement, the issue is that she threw her teammates under the bus while doing so.

I'm mocking people who are using this stupid ******* holier than thou attitude to get back at Mittani. They don't give a **** about The Wis, they only care about using him as a tool and once they get what they want they'll forget about him.


Fact is, no one really gives a **** about the guy at this point, people just want vengeance. You want to know who the monsters are? I suggest some of these people look in a mirror, then we'll have our answer.