Jita Park Speakers Corner

Nothing but removal from the CSM will show that CCP cares about this issue. What would have turned out to be possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in free good publicity for CSM now turns out to be PR nightmare and unmitigated disaster for our whole community. Just step down and be done with it.

Oh come on now I think you might be exaggerating a little there....


.... oh well, shine on you beautiful butthurt diamond.

Also Issler welcome to the harsh realities of the rest of eve that isn't highsec. May your own butthurt confirm every negative stereotype I have ever heard about carebears.

Jumped in to show mittens I am a loyal lap dog!! Bark Bark!!!!

People doing good things can loose their way and screw up. And when they do they need to "own it" as Mittens said repeatedly in the alliance panel.

Issler

This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.

Leadership is about taking on a level of responsibility beyond the norm, and as such, the consequences of bad decisions must also be beyond the norm. Mr. Gianturco took that responsibility on when he campaigned for CSM.

Sure he apologized, but the decisions he made, under the influence or not, must be held to account regardless. Whether he feels bad or not, whether the victim in question is OK or not, in any other situation like this, involving someone who is supposed to represent us, he would have already been forced out. In some jurisdictions, he would be subject to arrest or a civil action.

In other words, the only punishment that fits the crime is resignation. He committed a ban-able offense, stepping down from a position of elected leadership is the very least he should do. I truly think he should be banned, not permanently, but for a significant enough time that CCP proves that they're serious about one, protecting their players from such reprehensible behavior, and two, enforcing their own rules.

In RL The Mittani, by my understanding, is a lawyer, so I would expect such an apology from him in this situation. What the hell ELSE would he say? What would ANY of us say if in his shoes? OF COURSE he's gonna apologize- that should happen no matter what. What I think we need to question are his motives for doing so, and knowing what we do, I think it's more political than regretful.

If The MIttani does not resign, as far as I'm concerned it proves that his 'apology' is nothing more than a political maneuver meant to save his own skin.

This is about not letting some very bad behavior undo all the gains the CSM has made in gaining player support.

Right,

This is about not letting some very bad behavior undo all the gains the CSM has made in gaining player support.

And pro-mittens trolls will just make the anti-mittens backlash even greater.

I am still questioning where the other CSM 7 are on this, this should be a unanimous call for at a minimum censure.

Folks that just voted, ask yourself why your candidates haven't joined this protest!

Issler