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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#21 - 2012-03-27 01:01:12 UTC
Sad to see I was the only CSM 7 member to go on the record with my outrage at the incident.

We got what I believe is a sincere apology now the question I believe is before CSM 7, CCP and most importantly the players. "is that enough"?

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#22 - 2012-03-27 01:04:00 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Sad to see I was the only CSM 7 member to go on the record with my outrage at the incident.

We got what I believe is a sincere apology now the question I believe is before CSM 7, CCP and most importantly the players. "is that enough"?

One thing despite the apology this was an action that was started before the panel, the whole presentation was created prior to the fanfest and I assume in a more sober frame of mind. So humiliation of the player in question was definitely intended. I think the drunkenness let Mittens cross a line but how much further was that from the actual intent?

Issler
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#23 - 2012-03-27 01:13:12 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Sad to see I was the only CSM 7 member to go on the record with my outrage at the incident.

We got what I believe is a sincere apology now the question I believe is before CSM 7, CCP and most importantly the players. "is that enough"?

One thing despite the apology this was an action that was started before the panel, the whole presentation was created prior to the fanfest and I assume in a more sober frame of mind. So humiliation of the player in question was definitely intended. I think the drunkenness let Mittens cross a line but how much further was that from the actual intent?

Issler



No it isn't enough.

He cannot continue as the chairman after this behaviour and if he tries to (and the other members of the CSM let him) then you are going to be tarred with the same brush. Even on the assumption the apology was genuine he is going to need to step back and allow another CSM member untainted by the televised cyberbullying and abuse episide speak for the player council for the next cycle.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#24 - 2012-03-27 01:22:40 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Sad to see I was the only CSM 7 member to go on the record with my outrage at the incident.

We got what I believe is a sincere apology now the question I believe is before CSM 7, CCP and most importantly the players. "is that enough"?

One thing despite the apology this was an action that was started before the panel, the whole presentation was created prior to the fanfest and I assume in a more sober frame of mind. So humiliation of the player in question was definitely intended. I think the drunkenness let Mittens cross a line but how much further was that from the actual intent?

Issler



No it isn't enough.

He cannot continue as the chairman after this behaviour and if he tries to (and the other members of the CSM let him) then you are going to be tarred with the same brush. Even on the assumption the apology was genuine he is going to need to step back and allow another CSM member untainted by the televised cyberbullying and abuse episide speak for the player council for the next cycle.



I would have to say that for a lot of players if he remains it will undermine the gains the CSM seems to have made recently with player confidence.

I also think players need to be looking very closely at the total lack of reaction from any other CSM 7 members. How can I be the only one here that will take a stand?

Issler
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#25 - 2012-03-27 01:35:20 UTC
Seriously, where is the rest of the CSM on this? Did they stop reading here now that the elections are over? Ugh

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Arakkis Melanogaster
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2012-03-27 01:43:11 UTC
The Mittani's behavior was not at all in keeping with the kind and friendly atmosphere EVE Online engenders. Amidst the clean pure dck and fart jokes of Fanfest, a dark stain spread and leaked out into all of our lives.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-27 01:43:59 UTC
hey issler can you record the skype meeting when you bring this matter to the rest of the CSM's attention, because i don't wana wait until darius sends it off to riverini first
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-03-27 01:58:39 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
hey issler can you record the skype meeting when you bring this matter to the rest of the CSM's attention, because i don't wana wait until darius sends it off to riverini first


Here's to a year of Darius NDA jokes.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#29 - 2012-03-27 02:15:53 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
hey issler can you record the skype meeting when you bring this matter to the rest of the CSM's attention, because i don't wana wait until darius sends it off to riverini first


One thing I hope to do is be one of the more communicative CSM members so I will and try to do my best to let the players know what happened as soon as possible.

Issler
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#30 - 2012-03-27 02:19:04 UTC
"Deal with it."
- and -
"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."
~10,058~

I just can't reconcile these Mittani initial responses with "The Appology" he posted.

Quit clearly in his early replies demonstrate both his knowledge of his wrongdoing and his complete disregard or dismissal of it. Perhaps too full of himself or beleiving he is above taking responsibility for his actions?

Once he completes all three steps he outlined, this inlcuded resgination from CSM, we can all move on.

Nothing clever at this time.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#31 - 2012-03-27 02:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
So is anyone surprised that The Mittani behaves the same in real life as in-game? He consistently mixes the two when posting in forums. He's a self-admitted sadist. That's not roleplaying. I'm boggled that anyone is boggled by anything he said at fanfest. Have you been paying any attention at all?

In vino veritas.

The only thing being drunk did is bring out his true nature as a human being.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#32 - 2012-03-27 02:42:30 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
So is anyone surprised that The Mittani behaves the same in real life as in-game? He consistently mixes the two when posting in forums. He's a self-admitted sadist. That's not roleplaying. I'm boggled that anyone is boggled by anything he said at fanfest. Have you been paying any attention at all?

In vino veritas.

The only thing being drunk did is bring out his true nature as a human being.


I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-03-27 03:58:31 UTC
ITT: buttmad nerds writing for their masters in internet psychology. Please, continue to explain the underpinning workings of The Mittani's mind as only internet spaceship forum warriors can~
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#34 - 2012-03-27 04:10:17 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Sad to see I was the only CSM 7 member to go on the record with my outrage at the incident.

We got what I believe is a sincere apology now the question I believe is before CSM 7, CCP and most importantly the players. "is that enough"?

One thing despite the apology this was an action that was started before the panel, the whole presentation was created prior to the fanfest and I assume in a more sober frame of mind. So humiliation of the player in question was definitely intended. I think the drunkenness let Mittens cross a line but how much further was that from the actual intent?

Issler



you know i was thinking the same thing... my guess was he was originally going to mock the wiz (why he dressed like a dr. Seuss character) and have it be some sort of lame introduction to the next hulkageddon or some bull like that... but the guy got totally waisted and took it way too far... whcih can be seen even from his twitter posts from fanfest...

kinda scarry that this guy plays eve so damn much that he has become his in game persona in real life... if i were alex i would resign and take a break from eve to get back to reality and then plunge right back in...

worst part about this whole thing is the poor guy who just wanted to be left alone.... noob goon drone are like well he says he ok so stop being mean to "Brittney spears"... here's looking at you andski...
but if the guy is really depressed and an adult you think he is going to react like a teenage depressed girl? no way... i am sorry for the guy cuss of how embarrassed he must feel... loosing a mining ship is ok for embarrassment but having your condition posted and re posted all over the internet and mocked is just a damn shame...

and for this alone mittenz should resign.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Highauger's animated corpse
Jove Observation And Neutrality Negotiations Act
#35 - 2012-03-27 04:19:15 UTC
Alcohol - Eve Online - Reason anyone?
Highauger's animated corpse
Jove Observation And Neutrality Negotiations Act
#36 - 2012-03-27 04:29:34 UTC
Isslers 1st post in : The Office of the Chairman: A ~chill place~ for constituent issues

Issler Dainze wrote:
Have you stopped beating your wife in the wormholes you hate so much

No, seriously, no actual questions from me at the moment but I think you doing this thread is a great idea, I hope you get some good questions

Issler


+1 for a balanced fair discourse.

Scumbag
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#37 - 2012-03-27 04:43:22 UTC
Only way for Mittens to redeem himself is by taking a lesser position in the CSM and work from there.
Wait till next CSM election to get the chair, but as it is now the only thing that would come from him being chair this CSM that everything will get tainted by this.

If he really wants to take his mandate forward he will accept the fact that even though he is unacceptable as chair for this period, he still has 10,058 votes for him and by completely resigning from the CSM he would openly admit he wasn't in it to make EVE better but only ran for the E-Peen position of chairman by landslide.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#38 - 2012-03-27 04:47:48 UTC
Highauger's animated corpse wrote:
Isslers 1st post in : The Office of the Chairman: A ~chill place~ for constituent issues

Issler Dainze wrote:
Have you stopped beating your wife in the wormholes you hate so much

No, seriously, no actual questions from me at the moment but I think you doing this thread is a great idea, I hope you get some good questions

Issler


+1 for a balanced fair discourse.

Scumbag


People doing good things can loose their way and screw up. And when they do they need to "own it" as Mittens said repeatedly i the alliance panel.

Issler
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-03-27 04:51:37 UTC
Nothing but removal from the CSM will show that CCP cares about this issue. What would have turned out to be possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in free good publicity for CSM now turns out to be PR nightmare and unmitigated disaster for our whole community. Just step down and be done with it.

Hmmm
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#40 - 2012-03-27 05:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolodymyr
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
give it thirty seconds and darius III's fuckgoons detector will go off.
Oh come on now I think you might be exaggerating a little there....

Darius III wrote:
Nothing but removal from the CSM will show that CCP cares about this issue. What would have turned out to be possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in free good publicity for CSM now turns out to be PR nightmare and unmitigated disaster for our whole community. Just step down and be done with it.

.... oh well, shine on you beautiful butthurt diamond.

Also Issler welcome to the harsh realities of the rest of eve that isn't highsec. May your own butthurt confirm every negative stereotype I have ever heard about carebears.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544