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Oi, Oi, Oi - CONCORD Ships

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Vouid
The Pannion Domin
#61 - 2017-06-15 12:51:15 UTC
There is a reason why every CCP employee leaves as soon as they get a decent job offering at another company
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#62 - 2017-06-15 12:53:27 UTC
FIX IT wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


oh and that last sentence is gold. Yea i'm sure developers who could probably spawn isk into their own wallets without being caught would instead come up with a convoluted, sure to be noticed and sure to fail conspiracy plan that EVE forum posters could see a mile away lol.

This forum needs a facepalm emoji lol.



you do know i was referencing actual historical scandal ccp was in right? this isn't some "fail conspiracy plan" it is what they actually have done ccp employees created t2 bpos out of thin air and gave it to players they liked.


I remember it, Which is why what you typed was silly. It amounted to "I have an evil plan to profit from this, now let's make sure it's totally noticeable!".

It's like all this people proclaiming that the Fighter Squadron nerf MUST be some secret plan to get people to buy more plex or something. It's like people haven't had a good conspiracy for a while so everything that happens must be some conspiracy instead of just being what it is.

CCP gave out some imaginary pixel spaceships they said they were going to give out. End of story.
Zapp McDouche
Its a good day to die
#63 - 2017-06-15 12:56:11 UTC
wow what 1st world issues, I didnt attent fanfest But I look forward to buying one of each down the line of the concorde boats Smile
Uthgaard
Because ISK
#64 - 2017-06-15 12:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Uthgaard
Jenn aSide wrote:

I found the underlying point of contention here. I guess this strikes against some people's idea of 'fairness'.

I don't think such ideas apply, CCP can do as they please with stuff they own, which is everything in EVE. And CCP clearly stated in the article that was on the launcher that the rewards would be per account. Like everything else in EVE, the people who paid attention (instead of just assuming it would be "per ticket") benefit from it.

Oh and that last sentence is gold. Yea i'm sure developers who could probably spawn isk into their own wallets without being caught would instead come up with a convoluted, sure to be noticed and sure to fail conspiracy plan that EVE forum posters could see a mile away lol.

This forum needs a facepalm emoji lol.


No, you're just not understanding what happened here, but forming an opinion anyway. You can get up to speed here.

The people who got hundreds, did so because they had massed accounts to take advantage of an exploit. This decision rewarded that exploit.

Sure, CCP can do as they like. But that doesn't remove the consequences of their actions. The players can do as they like as well. Guess who's an alpha clone next month? This guy. Along with many others.

If you want to continue to subscribe to a game with fundamentally broken mechanics, compounded by devs making bad decisions willy nilly, and ISD locking any threads they don't like while posting as faithful apologists, feel free.

EVE is a game that's played in the long-term. Playing a game where your development is planned a year at a time, requires faith that the team at the wheel isn't going botch things every time they touch it. If I were a shareholder, after this week I'd move for a no confidence vote.
FIX IT
Numbers Inc
#65 - 2017-06-15 12:57:17 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

CCP gave out some imaginary pixel spaceships they said they were going to give out. End of story.


Ow I think this is far from the end of the story, the story has not even started yet, you wait till people get home tonight and find out about this.
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2017-06-15 13:02:02 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Ergum Motsu wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:


So would you like CCP to removed the ships? What is your ideal solution to this situation?



How about just limit them to 1 of each ship per ticket purchased as originally advertised rather just giving people untold amount of isk?

I mean just look at jita and see how much the ships are trading for atm because they are supposedly rare due to supposedly limited availability



So remove all the ships and then reissue them? What about the ones already sold? Should CCP reverse all the sales? Also if you check the video I originally posted. They are not rare ships.

Kixx wrote:


Immediate release of Concord ships in game by some easy obtainable means otherwise instead of addressing the problem you have decided to become an accomplice by ignoring it.


You seem to have a misconception about my role. I am a player Volunteer whos job it is to moderate the forums and filter feedback to CCP. I am trying to get an understanding of what the issue is and what players would like to happen. So I am not sure where you are getting this "Accomplice by ignoring it" from.


The issue isn't the ships, nor is it a problem that Fanfest attendees got an early taste. The problem is the fact that CCP knowns damn well that anything they hand out at Fanfest has a super high value at first and that they decided to knowingly give ships to hundreds of accounts belonging to the same person. Just the act of giving highly valuable items to accounts that aren't even subscribed is completely mind boggling.

There are people currently out there who exploited Alpha clones to such a state that they have already cashed in billions, if not trillions of ISK thanks to this monumental f*ckup. Does it inject ISK into the economy? No. Is it fair? No. No-one complaining about Fanfest attendees getting a gift that happens to be worth a few hundred million or a billion. What happened here is that one person was given so many 'rare' ships that they got a cash injection of close to a trillion ISK as a direct result of CCP's actions.

If CCP refuses to see how this is a problem, god help us all.

So yes, put some effort into fixing this and

1. Remove all CONCORD ships that were given out from the game.

2. Revert every single transaction that involved one of those ships.

3. Then give them out again, once per ticket. As it should have been done in the first place.

4. And if that makes them 'too rare' just seed them into the game via alternative means.

But the situation as it currently stands is completely unacceptable.

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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2017-06-15 13:03:05 UTC
It's not an isk faucet though.
People get these ships -> sell them (Isk is actually removed from the game through fees.)
And isk is redistributed.
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#68 - 2017-06-15 13:05:09 UTC
CCP_Falcon wrote:
Yes, these are per account, it's intentional :)



Thx for making me understand what salt feels like. I needed this experience in my life.
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#69 - 2017-06-15 13:05:51 UTC
Uthgaard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

I found the underlying point of contention here. I guess this strikes against some people's idea of 'fairness'.

I don't think such ideas apply, CCP can do as they please with stuff they own, which is everything in EVE. And CCP clearly stated in the article that was on the launcher that the rewards would be per account. Like everything else in EVE, the people who paid attention (instead of just assuming it would be "per ticket") benefit from it.

Oh and that last sentence is gold. Yea i'm sure developers who could probably spawn isk into their own wallets without being caught would instead come up with a convoluted, sure to be noticed and sure to fail conspiracy plan that EVE forum posters could see a mile away lol.

This forum needs a facepalm emoji lol.


No, you're just not understanding what happened here, but forming an opinion anyway. You can get up to speed here.

The people who got hundreds, did so because they had massed accounts to take advantage of an exploit. This decision rewarded that exploit.

Sure, CCP can do as they like. But that doesn't remove the consequences of their actions. The players can do as they like as well. Guess who's an alpha clone next month? This guy. Along with many others.

If you want to continue to subscribe to a game with fundamentally broken mechanics, compounded by devs making bad decisions willy nilly, and ISD locking any threads they don't like while posting as faithful apologists, feel free.

EVE is a game that's played in the long-term. Playing a game where your development is planned a year at a time, requires faith that the team at the wheel isn't going botch things every time they touch it. If I were a shareholder, after this week I'd move for a no confidence vote.


I'm always amazed at how people get ticked off at some inconsequential thing then they get further ticked off at the people who aren't ticked off. You think I don't know all the stuff you just posted?

People are acting like CCP shot their dog or something. Ghost training, Rogue swarm, rebalance efforts, now fanfest ships. Is this International "1st world problems" month or something? If you don't like what CCP is doing just stop paying them.
Uthgaard
Because ISK
#70 - 2017-06-15 13:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Uthgaard
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
It's not an isk faucet though.
People get these ships -> sell them (Isk is actually removed from the game through fees.)
And isk is redistributed.


It doesn't much matter whether it was a faucet or a tidal wave. The economy is flooded.

And the isk isn't redistributed, it's further consolidated, because these are the same people who just raked in billions by selling their exploited sp. And the more they exploited that, the more ships they just got.
FIX IT
Numbers Inc
#71 - 2017-06-15 13:11:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
If you don't like what CCP is doing just stop paying them.


I think that a lot of people are considering just that, which is not good.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#72 - 2017-06-15 13:15:17 UTC
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets
Crash 888
TRINTEX
#73 - 2017-06-15 13:15:56 UTC
Watching fanbois impotently rage against a game they cannot bring themselves to quit because of their massive sunken cost syndrome (a result of a quite foolish and improvident decision of making a "hobby" out of a single product) is quite entertaining. Possibly the best entertainment left in this game.
Uthgaard
Because ISK
#74 - 2017-06-15 13:17:12 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets


The exploit was the ghost training.

Which was why they had all the accounts.

Which was why they got so many ships.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#75 - 2017-06-15 13:21:47 UTC
Uthgaard wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets


The exploit was the ghost training.

Which was why they had all the accounts.

Which was why they got so many ships.


Having multiple accounts was never against the rules though, i could have created dozens of trial accounts throughout the last 13 years and still got loads of the ships, at the end of the day the reason for owning multiple accounts is irrelevant here, this distribution is correct and CCP have stated that officially, there is nothing more this thread can accomplish
Ergum Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#76 - 2017-06-15 13:23:03 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets


After previously stating "In celebration of the 20th Anniversary of CCP Games, attendees will also be able to get their hands on decommissioned CONCORD vessels as part of Fanfest ticket packages this year.

Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser."

The operative word being Ticket Package, no mention of per account held. Literally throwing 100's of ships at people which are currently trading at over 1b isk each, just a wekk after coming out with theres too much isk ingame, being held by too few players smacks of utter stupidity and no thinking going into the impact of their decisions.
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#77 - 2017-06-15 13:24:37 UTC
FIX IT wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
If you don't like what CCP is doing just stop paying them.


I think that a lot of people are considering just that, which is not good.


I disagree, Most people who play EVE don't post on forums, read reddit or attend fanfest. A subset of these people quitting just isn't a big deal. The benefit would be less complaining on forums/and reddit...

The truth is that the people making the most noise never really quit even though they threaten to. people who quit do so quietly and usually because they are tired of the game. The people being super vocal about everything are actually trying to influence CCP, they are too invested to quit.

Which is why CCP mostly ignores all of this. They see people hit unsubscribe but they see the same people rescind their quit before it takes effect. They watch the PLEX money keep rolling in. That see the in game activity metrics stay the same.

In other words they know the vocal folks are bluffing. CCP had it's most profitable year last year, a bunch of hurf blurfing online isn't going to change anything.
Uthgaard
Because ISK
#78 - 2017-06-15 13:25:32 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Having multiple accounts was never against the rules though


No one said having multiple accounts was against the rules... I get the sense that reading is hard for you.

And beside that, CCP did not say per account. They said per ticket. You can read it yourself here... or can you?

Quote:
In celebration of Fanfest 2017, we will be issuing a decommissioned CONCORD Pacifier class frigate with the sale of every Fanfest ticket.

In addition to this, we’ll be issuing a decommissioned CONCORD Enforcer class cruiser with every Fanfest ticket that is purchased early, before January 1st 2017.
FIX IT
Numbers Inc
#79 - 2017-06-15 13:31:13 UTC  |  Edited by: FIX IT
Jenn aSide wrote:
CCP had it's most profitable year last year, a bunch of hurf blurfing online isn't going to change anything.


i think ccp has been doing quite well, I am fine with plex and sp boosters etc, but this last week has been crasy.

i mean they turned of my skill training, on a payed account. I still don't know how long my account wasn't training. This isn't normal.


ooo - ccp just declared ghost training an exploit
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-ghost-training/
Uthgaard
Because ISK
#80 - 2017-06-15 14:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Uthgaard
FIX IT wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
CCP had it's most profitable year last year, a bunch of hurf blurfing online isn't going to change anything.


i think ccp has been doing quite well, I am fine with plex and sp boosters etc, but this last week has been crasy.

i mean they turned of my skill training, on a payed account. I still don't know how long my account wasn't training. This isn't normal.


ooo - ccp just declared ghost training an exploit
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-ghost-training/


Satisfying as it is to throw that in the faces of everyone who defended it in this thread, a "reprimand" is hardly adequate to address the impact it had on the game. And it only serves to encourage players to take maximum advantage of future exploits before they're officially declared as such - common sense be damned.