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[June] Nullsec Asteroid Cluster and Excavator Drone changes

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Armark Bether
NRDS Anonyme
We're all going to die.
#281 - 2017-06-02 09:15:58 UTC
Honestly, I'm really enjoying the tears of all the people stuck pre-phoebe and that apparently can't take gates with their rorqs :p
Plus, this will require rorquals to move from system to system to get the yield they used to have, if this isn't potential content, I don't know what it is.

But yeah, about the pure yield nerf... still baffles me that the rorq needs another nerf. I mean, how was it allowed to get this OP in the first place ?
Azmya Nakamura
Alphahydrae
#282 - 2017-06-02 09:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Azmya Nakamura
So we have slower drones that mine less... but still cost the same to produce.

Just make another nerf to be sure no one will fly the Rorqual again. That would fix the economy "problem".

More than that with all the statistics you have access to, you should have been able to plan the impact to the economy from the very beginning. Even if the players behaviour might be unpredictable, you should have enough knowledge about your community to predict partially the players' reactions.


(Regarding the spawn... being in a wormhole, I am not chocked. We basically have Belts one time every 10 days in average and even without the enriched version of asteroids)

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Jasper Binchiette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#283 - 2017-06-02 09:43:55 UTC
OK everyone, lets form a union...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_miners%27_strike_(1984%E2%80%9385)
Moridunum Kanjus
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#284 - 2017-06-02 09:49:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Moridunum Kanjus
Really looking forward to logging in only to be able to mine the low end ores AND having even less return for my time! :D

I mean I only have a couple of hours a night to play, I can't log on every 5 hours to cherry pick the belts to get the good stuff and just like with Ice i'll be limited to the "leftovers" because I can't alarm clock the re spawns. This does screw over the more casual players (seems to be a recurring theme no?).. Multi boxers aren't going to care much.

Better off carrier ratting.

Also will it even be possible to keep the ADMs maxed out with those sorta changes?

Seems every patch there's some pretty poor decisions being made.. I miss the days of old where I looked forward to releases. Nowadays I'm just speculating what's going to be nerfed and what features will be removed or replaced with sub par new elements.
Felix Crusher
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2017-06-02 09:49:30 UTC
Since I know I can't dissuade you from having fun with your nerf bat, would you at least remove some of the Dark Ochre from the mining anomalies and replace it with other ores?

I don't know what's going on in empire space, but here in null-sec the current supply/demand ratio for Isogen is so bad that it's almost become a waste product caused by mining. If you want to know what Delve looks like, it's one unfinished mining anomaly after another that has nothing left except Dark Ochre and Mercoxit. The Morphite supply/demand ratio isn't screwed up the same way it is with Isogen, but it's still not worth it for people to get out of their Rorquals and actually go mine it.

Nerfs are easier to tolerate when they also come with changes that improve players QoL.
Father Jeremy
Three Sexy Sardines
#286 - 2017-06-02 09:57:31 UTC
yet one more skill set you trained and you are never going to use again.
well done CCP
Keli Carte
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#287 - 2017-06-02 10:02:44 UTC
bbbut muh rorqs :sadface:
Yodik
Dwarfed ORE
#288 - 2017-06-02 10:15:08 UTC
shattered wormhole belts are wait you, my little scared friends from daddy house.

В любой непонятной ситуации - качай Prospect.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#289 - 2017-06-02 10:20:23 UTC
Posting in a salty gonn thread

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
DarkMoon Picard
Space Travellers Administration
#290 - 2017-06-02 10:22:24 UTC
Stop nerfing a 10b ship thats stationary when a 2b carrier makes same to more money in less time. Stop reducing excavator speed so a NPC carrier spawn or such pops them without that you have a chance.. thats no fun. People will just not undock or stop playing eve all together. Better start nerfing the npc bounties.

The better solution to stop rorqual multiboxing. Simply allow max 2 industrial cores to be turned on per anomaly.
McNab DK1977
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#291 - 2017-06-02 10:32:05 UTC
I like it.
Forcing high density areas to spread out and use more systems isnt a bad thing.
Now we just need the invul timers reduced a bit as that is too powerful atm.
Yazor
Right Hand Of The Legion.
Get Off My Lawn
#292 - 2017-06-02 10:32:33 UTC
I'm confused as to how any of this will sit with any Rorqual Pilot.... when the Mining drones were first introduced... assuming you fitted your Rorqual with a Tank fit due to the drop happy... You mined about as much yield as 3 and a half Hulks.... well fitted Hulk = Max 500 Million Isk..... Rorqual w/ Excavator Drones = 12-15 Billion....

Then you nerfed the Rorqual lowering the yield those drones mine and also spread the belts out further.... now the same Rorqual Mines as much as 2 Hulks.

Just about every Indy player in Eve has more then one account.... why bother with the Rorqual anymore.... I can field 6 Hulks doubling the yield and all at a quarter of the price of a Rorqual.... and that's using crappy Porpoise Mining Boosts

Now you want to nerf it even futher... WTF

I have played this game for a very long time, I have seen only a few positive changes ever made to Industry... Most were bad for Indy.

I honestly feel like I have wasted years training into what will essentially become a useless ship... I have 4 members that sold there Rorquals and the over priced excavator/Ice drones... then they literally used the skill extractors to suck out the skills and profit from them in selling the injectors. They have switched from Indy to PVE and are now "Super Ratting".

Sell your Rorqual, Sell the expensive Ore/Ice Excavators, Suck the Indy skills out used to pilot the Rorqual, sell Skill Injectors.... now take all that isk and get a super and go rat....

Is that the kind of changes your seeking CCP? That is whats happening... why do we continue to call it a "Capital Industrial" when the ratio in comparable cost to yield clearly favors using an Exhumer instead of a Rorqual?

I honestly have no idea why I'm even bothering to post, CCP continually disregards any input from actual Indy players, CSMs are usually all PVPers from the Power Blocks... Fozzie will likely never even read these posts gang... CCP is not what it once was... I really wish they would sell Eve Online to someone else.

Time to start looking for a new game to waste another 10 years on... this ones about done...
Woodbine
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2017-06-02 10:44:00 UTC
Do you have any idea of what you're actually doing???? How about you stop bending over industry and going in dry. You clearly have no concept of how the game works.

Will CCP be refunding all the time and effort that's been put in to getting the skills to fly this now Capital waste of space? I would guess not as they don't care about what people want.

The backlash of this thread should show them if they ever actually read anything that this is a dumb idea and the previous nerf was also ********.

Put the belts back to how they where and the give the CAPITAL long training bonus back that we had in January. You made this class so that it was better than fielding a Hulk but now you've basically made its waste of time and effort.

Well done for again not actually knowing your client base....
Orgasmadrone
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#294 - 2017-06-02 10:51:09 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Dear CCP Fozzie,

I have played this game since 2004. As a player of a multi million dollar media empire with its own website, t shirt brand, and twitch stream I cannot tell you how boiling mad I am at the changes you are making. I've suffered through this game for over 10 years now and I have to say HOW DARE YOU. I pay for my seven subscriptions with real currency. Sitting in a Colossal for hours upon end as I hear the soft cheerful humming of my excavator drones brought a smile to my life of bleak sadness and misery. When I heard about the changes to the Blood Raider capitals and how to aquire them I became severely depressed and sad.

I developed a condition known as PTSD (Post Traumatic Sotiyo Disorder) and played "Below The Asteroids" on repeat until I cried myself into a stupor. Thanks to YOU sir now I cannot cheer myself up hearing the happy sound of my drones crunching away at asteroids 24/7 with my fellow Coalition mates. I had 25,000 friends 24/7. Now I'll only be able to socialize 5 times in a 24 hour period with them about the fluctuating value of Spod rocks.

I will GLADLY take my hard earned money and put it elsewhere into a game that has such amazing replayability and unique player driven content like World Of Warcraft. Did you know I can craft my own Legendary and call it Molok? GEE WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO GET A REAL MOLOK AS EASY AS THIS HUH? I mean what the heck? I'm literally shivering and my jowles are flapping in silent fury. This will not go unnoticed oh no. The friendship boat has sailed. We do not forget. The sound of our wings buzzing in unison will drown out all opposition. WE WILL NOT SUFFER THIS OUTRAGE.


Tara Read - you are absolutely the best. I love you.
StainGuy
Doomheim
#295 - 2017-06-02 10:56:56 UTC
Stealth buff to delve mining.
People in other alliances will not be able to cycle systems to get new ore belts, and when belts in the only safe system they have will be mined out they will just logout.

So huge buff to delve mining income - while people will mine a bit less, % of the minerals mined in delve will be much bigger when compared to total amount mined in New Eden.



Vault Azoun
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#296 - 2017-06-02 11:07:56 UTC
Appears that those pesky goons continue to force CCP's hand at being too successful at what they do. Maybe if you just take away rorquals all together you might achieve what you are actually after?
Johnno Ormand
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#297 - 2017-06-02 11:10:29 UTC
Dear CCP/Fozzie,

Enough with the Rorqual nerfs! I have spent considerable time and isk training my alt into a Rorqual, this would not be good for the game at all. Have you considered the fact that because Eve Online is played across multiple timezones, what happens if say the Colossal ore anom is mined out in another timezone? Or outside of someone's play time?

Like the way the ice belts have a 4 hour cool down timer, if you miss the belts when they respawn for whatever reason, but mainly because you didn't login at the right time, then no luck for you. Move systems you say, yes well that is certainly possible, but what happens if the Rorquals in another timezone mine the next system's enormous/colossal as well? (and don't say it won't because autism).. Also not every system has the ore upgrades installed in them either.

My point is unless you login at the right time when the enormous/colossal belts respawn, your going to either miss out or be left with the crud ore that nobody else wants. CCP, are you actually wanting to decrease login times, because that is what will happen if you proceed with this nerf!
elise densi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#298 - 2017-06-02 11:11:29 UTC
why the hell did u made rorquals mining ships the first place to just nerf them again along with anom respawn timers oh please ....
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#299 - 2017-06-02 11:24:48 UTC
Removed some quitting post.

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wpier dolina
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#300 - 2017-06-02 11:25:58 UTC
are u mad so over 6 months i was investing everything in to rorqals and now u fckt me completly off? i tell u what stick it up to u ..