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Looks like you still fundamentally don't understand your own game, and as a result, you are undermining the confidence of the players.

The Rorqual, and the excavator drones required to use it represent what is to most pilots a sizeable investment, an investment that initially looked lucrative enough that many pilots invested everything they had, and some real life cash to afford.

A sizable nerf was expected right off the bat, and it happened. Then it happened again and again and again. That sort of uncertainty means you've turned would should have been a solid bet into a very risky gamble. I get that balance changes are necessary, but you've gone from a ship that gets very roughly 10X the yield of a hulk for 1000X the cost, to a ship that gets 1.5X the yield for 1000X the cost.

A nullsec-dominant economy is healthy for the game. It makes owning space desirable, which in turn makes taking space desirable. More importantly, it positions nullsec as a logical "end goal" for most players, again, a healthy thing, and a conflict driver.

What you obviously haven't figured out. Mining is the income stream which is easiest to scale. It's depressingly boring for most people who do it, but, it requires the least interaction per client, and the most predictable interaction per client of any profession. If you are looking to scale your profession to dozens of clients, Mining is the strongest, least effort option left that is viable without input broadcasting. In short, Rorquals promised what AFK carrier ratting used to be - income that scales almost linearly with number of clients while only having a tiny increase per client in pilot effort. They then combined that with relatively low risk - if flown properly, you won't EVER die.. That, and not their yield is what is broken.

Unpopular opinion here, but Nerf the ability to scale, and not the yield. Not just for Rorquals, but exhumers, barges, ishtars, and any other clever ways people find to simultaneously make income on dozens of clients at a time. It's not healthy that a few outliers can completely distort the economy, and it's also not healthy that CCP as a company gets a disproportionate amount of subscriber income from heavy multiboxers.


Once you take care of scaling, then start balancing incomes around a set of target numbers for highsec, lowsec, nullsec, and wspace to make the risk/reward obvious, and to make owning space or living in high-risk areas of space desirable.

I think this idea is kinda of ludicrous.......

I live in Highsec as most of my membership does, we are enjoying the fact nullsec is finally getting its stuff together out there and for the first time in EvE history making proper local economy infrastructure a reality. (ie they dont come to highsec as much anymore for reasons)

With this hard nerfing.....im thinking more lack of large juicy targets is going to bring nullseccrs and their metagame **** back to HS on a more regular basis.

On another note though, why Fozzie are you trying to balance player interaction?
or is CCP trying to counter things like Ghost training and what not by trying to make more players get into a Rorq or have more clients?

500 PLEX still represents a sub that someone paid CCP real money for. The fact that there's a middleman involves does not change the fact that the subscription is income for CCP.

Thanks for your valuable input. Now that your big brain is probably engaged more, show me where the excess ISK that has been around EVE for a generation has driven inflation in anything but something like PLEX? It just hasn't been shown to have the same effect that it does in the real world. But feel free to point it out, because I'd love to be wrong on that and just whine about ISK faucets in the blind too.

So are you suggesting fewer people buying plexes, reducing the demand so prices for plex drop, [so fewer people have the need to convert real money into Plex] <- that part... maybe.

The number of people who chose to buy isk using plex purchased with real money instead of earning it in game is not only controlled by the value of plex. For some people it is just easier to buy isk with real money cause they have more money than time. At which point those people would need to buy more plex with real money to buy the in game assets they want. At this point in your argument you need a lot more data and understanding of economics than I have to determine what the far reaching effect will be.

I read through the forum and see the usual 'End of the Game' rhetoric. Not seeing how this 'Ends' the game.

We are not quite big enough to be impacted by the Belt cool down timers. If we grow much more, we will be. So that part of this update goes as advertised for us, for now.

This is obviously an attempt to reign in mega Corps that do MASS mining. A kind of targeted taxation of ability. I suspect those that can kill a Colossal belt won't wait for the cool down timer. They can simply plan ahead and do Large, Enormous, then Colossal belt then return to the Large when it respawns which is likely to be before they finish the E and C belts.

Even if I am wrong and they can tear through those belts faster than the Large respawn rate, they simply plan a little further ahead and bump index on a secondary system, install a beacon and go. Transitioning to the secondary system now becomes the only real slowdown.

Want to really spice up the mining game CCP? How about bringing back those Sig Belts? Hmm? Take those Mining fish out of the barrel make those hunting them earn it.

Too old hat? Ok, How about just One or two Actual Ore Belts in each system instead of the Ore Blobs we have. How about belts that wrap around the Sun or a couple of different planets. Each belt with 2 or 3 default warp ins.

With either the sig belts or the Wrapped belts Those hunting miners now have to exert an ounce of effort to scan them down. Probably results in more Rorqual kills initially as people get a false sense of security. Scanning down Orcas and Rorquals isn't what I would call a real challenge.

As to those Excavators, really? What is the point of Excavators any more? When we could mine 5x faster than a Boosted Hulk, 5 Bill for a rack of drones made Risk/Reward sense. Now that the benefit has been cut by more than half, and you make them slower easier targets that currently have glass tanking, it makes a lot LESS sense to medium and small corps.

"haha, made you inject into Rorquals" - Fozzie, probably.

I can honestly say I'm not one to freak out over announced nerfs for the most part. In fact, I don't believe I have ever posted in response to one before. However, the level to which mining has been nerfed recently is simply beyond comprehension.

Additionally, you have finally hit upon the way to ruin my defense of all the previous nerfs. I have been saying for months to the various butthurt rorqual pilots that they should just go back to mining in sub caps as "nothing has changed" from when they used to do it prior to super-rorqual 2016. However, with this cooldown thing... congrats. I can no longer speak in your defense at all.

*Cheers*

Rorq do around 200-300m/h and that is fine tbh considering the risk is REALY high using one!

When does CCP ever listen to the warnings their playerbase gives them about imbalanced stuff?