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And your point is?

Sorry I can make friends and enjoy playing the game with them. If you don't want blobbed, stay away. vOv

Didn't this used to be your space? Too soon?

Don't hate me because I'm not a friendless loser. If you can't handle the blob, stay away.

I'm sorry I don't play the game according to your solo samurai style. You want 1v1? go nuts! My play style isn't any less valid because you don't care for it.

You and your ilk are booty-blasted because you ONLY want to fight with a zero percent chance of losing. The long HIC scrambler gave people like me a non-zero chance to stop people like you, and you can't have that. Your narrative is safe again.

Speaking of risk, You could also use a Lachesis, but then that has 1/3rd of the EHP so you might actually lose it to a gang if you're out of position. HICs having the EHP that they do, with the scram range was oppressive and the answer to 80% of ships in the metagame. Pretty much everyone in the small gang community already adjusted to flying 100mn AB stuff or Orthrus (Which your HIC is useless against).

This whole risk vs reward argument is entirely ********.

Of course people want to win, and they don't want to lose their ship. For us goons, that means we're going to bring friends, for smaller sides, they're going to use ships that don't have to commit because in brawling you're always going to lose if you're outnumbered, there is significantly less outplay potential vs kiting gangs where a smaller but more skilled kiting gang can win against more unorganised kiters.

The problem with HICs was they were the answer to almost everything cruiser sized or bigger, forced the meta to change to 100mn by themselves, don't have much counterplay and combined the roles of multiple specialised ships into 1 150k EHP package. They killed 80% of the roaming meta, forcing people into Orthrus, Keres Damps or 100mn AB.

Unironically the only kiting ship that I think is absurd and needs nerfing (The Orthrus) is the one ship that didn't get hurt as much as almost everything else, including brawling ships like BCs and BS with MJDs that relied on them to escape from small frigate tacklers that didn't commit to scram range. The HICs hurt the brawling meta almost as much, if not more than the kiting metagame.

I for one am glad to see 5x more options by removing HICs.

If you don't want to getkited, stay away. The logic goes both ways. You blob in order to lower the risk of losing your ships. I kite instead.

It has 25m3 of drones so it can force off a frigate pretty easily. Also, a dual prop svipul and most frigate is slower than devoter with AB on if it doesn't have you scrammed, so you need to get caught by it, or it needs to land on you at 0km (Both of which are you getting outplayed/******* up).

If you ram Devoter in a Svipul, you will get scrammed at 20km~. and he will MWD away while you AB at him slower and you'll die.

Vigilant is much more vulnerable, only has 19km/20km web with no links and less tank.
Deimos needs to ram, it dies to a blob.

Orthrus is still pretty good, but it's also not as oppressive against cruiser+ like HIC was.

I think I keep flying my devoter. Now I just need to use regular focus point script for offencive work and focused scram script for defencive work and I need to be able to recognize the possible change of the situation in good time beforehand beacause cycletime.

I still do think this change is very good.

Ofcourse everyone wants a ship that's indestructible, 7000m/s without heat, implants or links, 5000dps to gridwide range, but that would break the game. Devoter / onyx was not that good, but they were pretty damned good.

They still do have 21km scram, whitch is more than most other ships. They still do have that scram / 40km disruptor in a HIGHSLOT, they still have huge tank if fitted to it.

Only problem I have is the broadsword and phobos. Mainly the broadsword is pretty useless at the moment. It could use a lilbit more range to autos and a dronebay, and it would be on par with the others.

Orthruses however don't have brick tanks and tiny sigs like HICs which makes kiting vs kiting possible.

where usual HIC tackle you?

after gate jump so where is HIC? near gate. so what do you solve that? you burn to gate (12km) and check if HIC is in scram range, if not just easily jump back...


39km warp disruptor is useless when most of others cruisers r faster. any solid kite ship can now easily tackle you even these null 4k+ m/s interceptor plague and you do nothing. HIC was only one ship which these tacklers try hold with high risk.

after that change I get more fun with any command ship for same price and with better chance to survive