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Before the wall of text I'd like to ask for clarification: The -20% range is relative to the bubble size, right? The numbers given seem to be 50% lower than the current focused range, not 20%.

I'm definitely not very enthusiastic about this change. The only time I've seen HICs used in fleets is when there's a chance of catching supercapitals or when the scram range is absolutely necessary. The inability to receive remote reps while doing their job makes HICs very hard to manage in a fleet setting, to the point I see them getting completely replaced by Proteus, Lachesis, or in some cases Orthrus/Barghest.

In a gate camp setting they can be a little oppressive but the inability to receive reps is again a major disadvantage against anything that can fight back. I'll be the first to admit I have camped gates with a Devoter and remote sensor boosters. It's effective and the Devoter can solo many T1 cruisers and below, but this change is not going to fix that. Gate campers will always figure out a setup to point and scram victims as quickly and inescapably as possible, and it being a ship that can receive reps will likely make things even worse. Even before the change I would've used a Proteus instead of a Devoter if I could fly one, just because it's a lot less likely to die, and the extra scan resolution would be a welcome improvement.

So what would HICs actually be used for with only half the scram range? The only uses I can think of are permanently keeping a bubble up for camping in null or a wormhole, in which case an anchorable bubble is probably better, or tackling supercapitals, in which case Rorquals or a Proteus + Guardian fleet would be better.

I see the proposed change as the death of HICs unless they also gain the ability to receive remote assistance like all the other options can.

So now a HIC is absolutly useless as it was before, and it has worst range than a gallente recon for a way more expensive hull...

Why ?


HIC became used, and just used, not overused. It was great ! It makes some pilot didn't able to adapt whine, but it was far away from being overused.

No one use them to takle super nowardays anyway. Without a great scram range these rip have no purpose to exist. Even worst than an Orthrus...

I see no reason for this change. Nobody in my inner Ever circle of friends were calling for this or complained how overpowered it was. Where did the need for this change come from? If this was a push by the CSM it has misrepresented the community in my opinion.

I stated several points before but ok, let´s make a short list.


- HICs are an essential tool in close to midrange fleet compositions when fighting longer ranged compositions.

- HICs are an essential tool to shut down certain ships/compositions which are able to project pretty well against the common tackler like rapid lights, tracking bonused cruisers and alike.

- HICs allow small fleets to shut down a certain part of the grid against stuff that would kite them all the time. Still possible of course and by no means a hard counter.

- HICs by themself can be countered super easily, they need force multiplier to become really nasty.

- The only thing that HICs shut down pretty much entirely are solo battleship pilots and people who like to fly MWDs on nano ships and run into a gatecamp. Besides that, I don´t see anything that speaks for a HIC nerf and tbh, solo should never ever be a reason to buff/nerf something. It´s nice to fly solo and I personally enjoy it too from time to time but it is no basis for balance at all.

As said before, I hate it too when I run into certain compositions when I fly solo or with a couple friends but that´s ******* EvE. Bubblecamps, frigate blobs with ecm, rapid light missile compositions you name it. There are a lot of things that really grind my gears but do I want to see such things nerfed? No, absolutely not! Not too long ago I was thinking about the whole fleet meta. I dislike the fact that everyone is "anchoring up" and apply dps with a logi wing attached. But it is the most efficient way and people got used to it. Everything else you might wanna try needs a ton more effort, more piloting skills and has more options to screw up. Therefore people don´t do it and I dislike that. But do I want to force people giving up on this fleet meta? Hell no, just because I don´t like it, doesn´t mean it should be enforced. Same for HiCs and all the other things people complain about. Yes, sometimes maybe even the majority of times you fly solo or in a small gang and you get cooked by some blob, camp or whatever and it is not nice to say the least but that´s the game and your choice. You can blob with your friends, take on someone who is not as good as you and enjoy killing him in a solo ship or you can keep complaining about things and ask for nerfs because you want to enforce your gameplay. The latter is just a bad approach on things. To finish things up, people remember the svipul camps in low-sec? Just a ******* svipul on the gate or maybe two of them. They will pretty much instant lock anything that comes through and blap it and you can´t do **** against it except you know beforehand that they are there. It´s super nasyt, it´s hated by a lot of players, including myself. But it´s part of the game and it´s fine to have such things in EvE.

Also:



lmao. HICs everywhere! Every small gang has one!

TURN LEFT show us on the doll where the HIC touched you.

*Points at the 100mn AB*

Just remove hics from the game....

No people kite because it triggers you because all you press is f1 and are too fat and lazy to learn to kite yourself.

Well and that is pretty narrow minded.

If you can and if it fits your comp, take an Lacheis and an Arazu for control supremacy. Just because a lot of people don´t realise that force multipliers add up way better than adding another "HIC" doesn´t mean the HIC is too strong.
If possible, I take combat recons over HICs any time but sometimes you just need the ridiculous tank a HIC can offer you. Mostly in mid to large fleets. An Arazu wont cut it there where a HIC is a pegleg in small gangs or BLOPs stuff. It doesn´t hinder a lot of people to use a HIC in their small gang stuff but it doesn´t make it great either. Complete different roles for both hulls. And the people who are asking for a nerf simply don´t get that - it seems.

And yes I know I sound like a HIC fanatic but for the record, most of the times I am at the receiving end of the HIC point and actually lost 2 pretty expensive haulers on my alt to "solo HICs" over the last ~2years. Enraging moments but well, that´s EvE eh?