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[Feedback Request] Capital Ships in Incursions

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#121 - 2016-04-14 00:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Anthar Thebess wrote:

Well we had drifter incursions burning throne worlds, but no one cared to do them.
Higsec incursion runners don't like the risk Roll

Outright lie. 2 or 3 groups were running them regularly. Just they took 3-4 hours to close an incursion and they then respawned in as little as 12 hours. So you could go to bed, they could close an incursion, and the new one could have respawned before you logged on the next day.

Capitals in Drifter incursions would also have a chance depending on their behaviour of breaking them, if they only fire the DD when their overshield breaks it becomes trivial to run them at that point, even if CCP fixed them 100% ignoring logi.
Shalmon Aliatus
Bluestar Enterprises
The Craftsmen
#122 - 2016-04-16 12:33:18 UTC
Open the gates for capitals, wait a couple weeks, see if players do something super-op with capitals you CCP guys had no idea that it was even possible, if yes balance or close the gates again. Don't know how acceleration gates work exactly, but my guess is it is a "can use"-list.

Think capitals may be to slow for the sites where you have to travel between gates (and you have to manage siege timers as well). FAX might be good in sites with a single room, if you can manage to tank the NPCs :)
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#123 - 2016-04-17 15:11:49 UTC
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers
Initiative Mercenaries
#124 - 2016-04-17 16:07:08 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!


If Gates are adjusted for all Capital ships to enter Incursions, does that include Titans and other Supercarriers?

I am just wondering, since the Revenant, while being a Supercapital itself, would not last long if player fleets were to field a Supercarrier or a Titan at that HQ. It makes me wonder if this will lead to adjustments in the spawn of Sansha Incursion NPCs, or even an introduction of a new class of Sansha ships to counter the new Capital ship presence in Incursions.
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#125 - 2016-04-17 18:00:23 UTC
maybe expand this trial period to capitals in all pve, see if the capital changes fix all the broken capital pve already going on
Alex Lenin
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#126 - 2016-04-17 18:02:53 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!



Will be capitals triggered some sort of cap-escolation?
Ray P
Karma and Causality
#127 - 2016-04-17 18:53:37 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!


Make the trial "period" open ended and make it clear from the start that this will be kept under review and may be changed at any time in the future to head off the inevitable nerd rage that will inevitably come when this inevitably leads to incusrions being farmed by nulsec scum lords for mountains of isk.
Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers
Initiative Mercenaries
#128 - 2016-04-18 01:21:10 UTC
Ray P wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!


Make the trial "period" open ended and make it clear from the start that this will be kept under review and may be changed at any time in the future to head off the inevitable nerd rage that will inevitably come when this inevitably leads to incusrions being farmed by nulsec scum lords for mountains of isk.


Aren't there groups in High-Sec that already farm the Incursions?

I ran with a fleet for one Incursion in Null-Sec, and they had the science of Incursion-running down to a T. Everything was like clock-work, with little to no trouble.

So, too late on "nullsec scum lords" farming for ISK with Incursions.
Mermann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2016-04-18 15:36:03 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!



this is great News!!!! Fozzie, is there any chance this can be opened on SISI before citadel expansion?? would be nice to get the theorycrafting started asap.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#130 - 2016-04-18 17:18:33 UTC
I know this is a bit off topic, but is there any chance of changing the Lyavite requirement from NMCs to be changed to a drop off the last Romi alive in each wave, much like the civies from OCF? VGs are the only site that forces you to space truck a large volume of material around to run sites efficiently.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.

Super Veliz
Team Tumba POS
#131 - 2016-04-18 18:25:50 UTC
Does this mean caps will be allowed in high sec?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#132 - 2016-04-18 18:48:14 UTC
Super Veliz wrote:
Does this mean caps will be allowed in high sec?

What? Of course not.
Plaid Rabbit
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#133 - 2016-04-19 00:08:30 UTC
Humm, will we see the veldnaught in an incursion?
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#134 - 2016-04-19 11:22:49 UTC
Mermann wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!



this is great News!!!! Fozzie, is there any chance this can be opened on SISI before citadel expansion?? would be nice to get the theorycrafting started asap.


Yup the restrictions are now removed on SISI so feel free to start testing whenever you wish. Thanks!

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Jeanette Oswald
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2016-04-19 18:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanette Oswald
lol. Dunno why everyone is whining about the PVE aspect. I can see a lot more of my dudes getting hyped about killing incursion runners when they know caps are involved. AKA juicy slow targets.

Also they may be able to cyno out, but that also includes keeping a cyno close, that can be scouted. Either sitting on station waiting to get jiggled, or near a temp POS, which is also assets brought in, that can be killed.

This all sounds pretty awesome to me, and I dont even care about incursions.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#136 - 2016-04-19 18:11:10 UTC
Good thing you remembered to buff incursions Straight
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#137 - 2016-04-19 19:01:02 UTC
Ray P wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!


Make the trial "period" open ended and make it clear from the start that this will be kept under review and may be changed at any time in the future to head off the inevitable nerd rage that will inevitably come when this inevitably leads to incusrions being farmed by nulsec scum lords for mountains of isk.

As opposed to highsec scum lords farming day in and day out?
Ligraph
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2016-04-20 20:08:08 UTC
Alex Lenin wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback.

We agree with those of you who are advocating a "trial period" for capitals in incursions. In the Citadel expansion we will be adjusting gate restrictions to allow all capital ships into Incursion sites and we will be watching closely to see how this new access is used. Since we know that it takes a while for new tactics to develop, we have set a target for the end of 2016 to do a full review of how capitals in incursions are doing, including a call for more player feedback at that time.

Of course if something exploitable comes up between now and then we'll always be on hand to adjust things sooner.

Thanks!



Will be capitals triggered some sort of cap-escolation?


Now that would be neat... Especially if it is persistent (like the new Drifter boss).
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#139 - 2016-04-21 18:18:49 UTC
Would the addition of faction caps (looking at you serpentis dread) have any implications for incursions?
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#140 - 2016-04-22 02:06:03 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Would the addition of faction caps (looking at you serpentis dread) have any implications for incursions?


A dread with a web bonus Twisted

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.