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So are we back to SP = Win? Particularly another players SP that they sell for isk?

I'm not entirely sure how much this qualifies as pay to win, after all, skill points only translate to more effectiveness to a certain point, since you can't ever get past level V in all your support skills, and even then, actual player skill and good fits are often of more importance anyways. Aside from that we already have the ability to sell PLEX for cash to actually get that good equipment.

Still, I can't say I support this idea of cutting up characters to sell skills piecemeal. I do think it still removes the hard decisions inherent in the skill system since you can still straight up bypass hard trains by just buying that time and applying it to an existing character where before you had to make the hard choice to find a new character on the bazaar that fit your needs or just suck it up. Also, if it's a matter of, "I screwed up my skill train", which I think all of us have done at some point or another, I'd much rather have the ability to straight up move skillpoints around (for some sort of penalty of course) to fix minor mis-allocations, though even that may be dubious.

It also straight up seems odd to cut up an actual character as some sort of commodity. It might not be so bad if you could just sell the entire skill package and biomass the associated character, but the piecemeal approach allows the skills to be spread around too much. that's also the other problem I have with it. In the Bazaar there is a one to one approach, one person loses a character and another gains it, under this proposed system, a throwaway character can suddenly be split up and sold to multiple people for benefit.


In the devblog having a face you don't want, a name you find terrible, and a dubious history on a bought character. It's been suggested so many times before, that even outside of the character Bazaar , we'd appreciate the ability to change our name even if a name history were left attached. I'd much rather have a way to turn a sold character into a blank slate when it is sold to a different person, than to have the ability to just sell the SP.

Incarna Strikes Back

You need to calm down a bit more. Take a chill (or SP) pill?

This is a terrible idea.

It's cheap and nasty monetization. It reeks of some third-rate, bargain bin, Korean MMO pay2win scheme. No amount of crying "b-but the character bazaar!" is gonna change the fact that this is quite deliberately geared towards new players, exploiting their frustration with the learning curve for money.

New players want to sit in new ships the same way a kid wants to eat candy for his dinner. Ultimately, he will just be left feeling hungry. Don't be a bad parent CCP.

The ironic thing here is that the skill packets those new players would buy are not for sale via real money or aur. If you actually want SP, the place you go is the market to exchange isk. And best of all, this provides yet another incentive corps can offer to new players.

I'm a n00b so my opinion doesn't mean much, but here are my thoughts:

I'm torn because it would be nice to increase my training speed further and supplement it with the skill point potential since I no longer plex my subscription I have excess ISK to spend. I just think that giving characters 500k of unallocated skill points does not make a whole lot of sense. Being able to strip out a level 5 skill and sell it seems more possible in the universe, you're essentially trading memories at this point which feasibly could work lore wise.

If you really are going to go through with this idea then there has to be a cap. X times total, x times per month, etc. Otherwise people are going to just get a new character and buy up a bunch of skill books and have alts with the skills they want and then any further training they will just go and sell.

Exactly what cascading effect means. While you have to face things you learn to deal with them. When you can just buy your way out, you simply found a way out. It is like alts. Blob become a vice and a weakness after a time you use them. You even forget things you learned as you have alts to do works.

Distancing you from a learning curve is a pathway the game takes towards what WoW players must have known quite a lot about.

Once you introduce rookies in places they dont have the experience to belong but the SP to be, you introduce a sheep in a wolf's den. If you go down that path, soon you are changing the game to make the sheep more powerful, and match the wolves. As it is not enough, you start nerfing the wolves to match the buffed sheep, reducing the overall player base to a minimum common denominator.

Soon after that you are creating cocoons to shield players of real danger, and soon after that you are making end game content to people with lots of SP/XP and no clue to what to do in actual gameplay, so instead you turn game mechanics into ignorable nuisances, and create LFR, or LFC (look for complex), with shaven off mechanics from the regular mode. After a while everything is just dumbed down until anyone who started to play yesterday just go around oneshooting everything.

The PSR of this is clearly around the corner. Once you start shortcutting learning curve, you are rendering learning curve useless. From that, there is no way back, because once you have enough people without having passed by the fire, you will never put the firewall back in their path.

So it's quit eve because they never get to play it due to not having the skill points, or they quit because they die.

At least one involves them actually playing it.

Someone with more time then myself needs to go and quote the trillion responses over the years from vets to newbs about how skillpoints don't matter the player does blah blah blah, I'm loving this thread my cups are literally overflowing with tears. Its glorious!