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CCP's bad business model (Ship Skins)
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Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-09-22 12:46:44 UTC
Looking good is only a luxury to those who have never tried it Jonah.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#22 - 2015-09-22 12:55:37 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Looking good is only a luxury to those who have never tried it Jonah.
Kobe beef is only a luxury to those that have never tried it too, it's still a luxury P

Isn't it about time you got that demon exorcised?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-09-22 13:02:24 UTC
Irridan wrote:
Bosswoman wrote:

bla bla bla
With that whats your thoughts?

(lets please keep this somewhat civil)

You are obviously unfair.
EVE not F2P? Come on. Really Karl?

How much is PLEX nowadays? 19.99$ = 1kkk.
How much time is needed to farm 1kkk?
How many people simply pay with PLEX?

10 years ago, when there were no PLEX at all eve was P2P.

But today - not.



Someone had to pay money for that PLEX to exist on the market so the subscription price was still paid. The only difference is a 3rd arty is involved.

As for sin prices, if the prices doesn't fit, don't buy that ****.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#24 - 2015-09-22 13:03:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it.


A society and a specific generation that thinks everything should be free, that's who.

I don't care fore 180 dollar skins, so I don't buy 180 dollar skins. I also don't complain to the people selling them that they should make them more affordable for me.
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#25 - 2015-09-22 13:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Outlawd wrote:
Algarion Getz wrote:

I can afford it, but i won't pay 8€ for a texture which i can make myself in Photoshop in 5min. For 8€ i can get a nice indie game or an AAA game during Steam sale!

The lower the price, the higher the chance people will buy it and in the end the seller makes more profit because a lot more people are buying stuff. Thats how microtransactions work.


Why do you not understand that, that, is not the business model they have adopted?!

But they should use the micro transaction model. A lot more people would use SKINs. It seems weird to me that CCP spends so much time to develep a technical framework for dynamic skins (a few years ago they told us a lot of work needs to be done before we can have skins) and then puts the feature behind a high barrier (high price) so that only a few players will/can use it. (From what i have seen ingame, maybe 1% uses SKINs)

Maybe they have more plans for SKINs, i.e. add corportion SKINs and make temporary SKINs a common reward, so that the SKIN feature gets widespread use and the unique, permanent ones become something special, but at the moment SKINs just seem overpriced.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#26 - 2015-09-22 13:16:56 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:
Outlawd wrote:
Algarion Getz wrote:

I can afford it, but i won't pay 8€ for a texture which i can make myself in Photoshop in 5min. For 8€ i can get a nice indie game or an AAA game during Steam sale!

The lower the price, the higher the chance people will buy it and in the end the seller makes more profit because a lot more people are buying stuff. Thats how microtransactions work.


Why do you not understand that, that, is not the business model they have adopted?!

But they should use the micro transaction model. A lot more people would use SKINs. It seems weird to me that CCP spends so much time to develep a technical framework for dynamic skins (a few years ago they told us a lot of work needs to be done before we can have skins) and then puts the feature behind a high barrier (high price) so that only a few players will/can use it. (From what i have seen ingame, maybe 1% uses SKINs)

Maybe they have more plans for SKINs, i.e. add corportion SKINs and make temporary SKINs a common reward, so that the SKIN feature gets widespread use and the unique, permanent ones become something special, but at the moment SKINs just seem overpriced.
The current skin prices are a microtransaction when compared to some of the other nonessential vanity items that are sold via the NEX store; somebody at CCP probably misspelt micro when they looked up the definition pre Incarna and we ended up with macro transactions.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#27 - 2015-09-22 13:59:51 UTC
I just got one for 40m, you're saying I got ripped off? Wut? Thats like just one or two lvl4 missions....
I'd buy more, but so few I like, nothing to do with the cost of them.

I'm in it for the money

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Thomas Lot
London Elektricity
#28 - 2015-09-22 14:16:29 UTC
I kind of like the Isk-Aur ratio being so different on various hull skins and other vanity items. When I have a bit of Aur from a markee dragon purchase I can browse the ingame market and the skin store to see how I can maximize my purchase. A couple of times I have been able to manipulate the market where I was able to purchase Plex In-Game for about a 30% discount over what the current market was at the time.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-09-22 14:18:00 UTC
Still cheap skins and can get them with isk via plex. Good model I find. Is optional and doesnt affect game play. No concern. Common statement. Subs pay for the infrastructure that runs a lower playerbase game. Eve has more intense hardware requirements than most games.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#30 - 2015-09-22 14:52:52 UTC
As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...

They can charge what they want for what they want!

/thread
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2015-09-22 14:54:26 UTC
Mai Khumm wrote:
As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...

They can charge what they want for what they want!

/thread


I second that /Thread

Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up Twisted
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-09-22 15:00:54 UTC
I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.

So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2015-09-22 15:53:42 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.

So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items.

CCP alt spotted

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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#34 - 2015-09-22 16:19:24 UTC
Great thing any about business model is that it will prove itself right or wrong based on the customers demand for the content. The effort to make skins is very small once you have the base model and textures, its something you can do in photoshop in about 2 minutes.

I wouldn't worry about it honestly if nobody buys them at the price they are at then they will be price reduced down to nothing for me I turned off the ship skinning to save video memory.

Since I know the effort required I would buy a ship package or maybe gift them to someone else for 5 dollars worth of isk or about 250m at the current Plex rate. By package I mean all skins for 1 ship, for supers I might go as high as 500m for all or 10$.

They don't even change the effects on the ships to a special color or something more interesting if you want to compete with Riot games at least study what they do then create your content.

I am sure you know some people at Riot, ask them. :-)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2015-09-22 16:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Verstal wrote:
The effort to make skins is very small once you have the base model and textures, its something you can do in photoshop in about 2 minutes.
If this is so, how come CCP didn't introduce it years ago, and why was T'Amber/Apricot Baby the main source of potential ship skins before CCP ran with it? If it was as easy as you assume it to be, there should have been many more people extracting base models and textures, then dropping them into photoshop and creating stuff for us to drool over.

Quote:
Since I know the effort required
Given your previous nonsensical "I am a dev" posting about the direction that CCP are taking Eve I would have to say that you're telling pork pies.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-09-22 16:51:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...

They can charge what they want for what they want!

/thread


I second that /Thread

Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up Twisted


The constitution does not apply to privately owned board. Twisted

/thread
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#37 - 2015-09-22 16:52:22 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...

They can charge what they want for what they want!

/thread


I second that /Thread

Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up Twisted


The constitution does not apply to privately owned board. Twisted

/thread


That's 3 /threads now, we're moving into Magna Carta territory here.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-09-22 16:53:42 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.

So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items.

CCP alt spotted

I'm flattered, you are wrong, but I am flattered nonetheless.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#39 - 2015-09-22 16:56:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...

They can charge what they want for what they want!

/thread


I second that /Thread

Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up Twisted


The constitution does not apply to privately owned board. Twisted

/thread


That's 3 /threads now, we're moving into Magna Carta territory here.
60 of the 63 clauses of the Magna Carta are no longer part of English Law. Denied P

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#40 - 2015-09-22 17:06:01 UTC
If the price is too high, people will not buy it, which means the price will come down on it's own until what CCP feels is the "sweet spot" is hit.

Personally, I'd like to see them swing a bit lower as well... but then again, I won't be spending real money for them either.

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