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CCP's bad business model (Ship Skins)

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#41 - 2015-09-22 17:14:30 UTC
I haven't purchased any skins yet (I do have legacy ones from the free aurum they handed out when NES opened).

I would if they were more affordable.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#42 - 2015-09-22 17:25:18 UTC
I bought a few and will again if i see some i like.

Its not a poor business model, though the prices are a tad high, but its ccp game and company and they can set whatever damn price for a vanity or non essential item they want.

stop whining and if you don;t like them then *gasp* don;t buy them

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#43 - 2015-09-22 18:32:01 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
i think they are a tad expensive yeah but hardly outrageously so.

hardly matters though , they are vanity items so...


pretty much. although I did spend ~2.5bil for a rattler VE, and ~3bil on a quafe mega a while back. There are a few others I wouldn't mind getting, but not really worth it to me quite yet. The oracle skins look pretty nice, and I like a few other ones, but with just the number of ships I can fly, and the price of skins I probably won't be buying them at a high rate, but probably will pick a few up here and there.

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#44 - 2015-09-22 21:51:07 UTC
Not sure how many years it might take for CCP to recoup the eve player cash they threw down the pan on dust and vampires, but if i was the corporate them, i'd try and milk it back from the eve community via skins and the likes, so i dunno - working as intended?

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2015-09-22 22:02:56 UTC
Each to their own. I prefer to play with my zoom out to see at least 3/4 of grid - alas I just see dots brackets and icons.
Harry Saq
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#46 - 2015-09-22 22:12:37 UTC
The way they implemented skins is a ridiculous wasted opportunity and a short sighted money grab. There is no reason why skins couldn't be a basic ship customizing tool based on various templates and color swatches etc. They should have been a regular ingame feature that added flavor to ships you manufacture/purchase, not an immersion breaking money grab.

The thing that makes this game so stale is that even though you built it, nothing about it feels like it is unique to you or different from others....and by it, I mean literally everything manufactured.

See this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5599875#post5599875
this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5457452#post5457452
this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5438577#post5438577
...but mainly this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5424964#post5424964
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2015-09-22 22:19:09 UTC
Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden.
Harry Saq
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#48 - 2015-09-22 22:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Saq
Neuntausend wrote:
Generic non-insightful yartard statement...

Yawn...
Marsha Mallow
#49 - 2015-09-22 23:12:01 UTC
Bosswoman wrote:
I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins.

With that whats your thoughts?

I'm not keen, but I'm hoping there's a reason. SKINS are being sold via Aurum which is handled at the backend (financially) differently to Plex. It might be an experiment in a new type of currency. They probably are trying to find the sweet spot with regard pricing so I'm not sure it's worth having a massive fit over whilst it's being tweaked. Although I too like to grumble and am not buying a thing. We kicked off over Monoclegate and $1000 jeans and basically curtailed attempts to revise the subscription model via vanity items, but the sub model really does need to change. These are purely vanity items, and bizarely there are people willing to spend $1000s on it. From a personal perspective, it's a concern that other players are chucking that type of money at digital items, but it's rife in gaming so... awkward. If it allows CCP to rebuild the subscription model so they can actually go FTP I support it. Even if it is rocky to start with. I just won't buy anything for the time being.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it.

Bet you didn't say this during Summer of Rage, lol

Jenn aSide wrote:
A society and a specific generation that thinks everything should be free, that's who.

I don't care fore 180 dollar skins, so I don't buy 180 dollar skins. I also don't complain to the people selling them that they should make them more affordable for me.

Ummm no. I won't overpay for trash but I can see others doing so ingame (do a lot of recruitment etc so you see wallets/character purchases etc). Had one guy a few weeks ago show me a screeny of his eve-o account management showing $500 of Plex purchases a month. He's less than a year ingame, has multiple high sp characters, every super etc etc but has no idea how to play. You might normally write these people off as sillies, but that's a corpie in a tight knit group, so it does make you cringe. There is also a murky side with implementing this because it means explicity gouging wallet wielding numpties to benefit the wider community - but they're still part of our community and our mates, so. Yeh, not keen. I've seen a couple do this to such excess they had to RMT their way out of game to pay for basic RL stuff (ex, a boiler) and then got whacked with the banhammer and slid into really bad depression.

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Marsha Mallow
#50 - 2015-09-22 23:14:21 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden.


True

Harry Saq wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Generic non-insightful yartard statement...

Yawn...

Blink

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#51 - 2015-09-23 00:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it.

Bet you didn't say this during Summer of Rage, lol
Fair comment P

That said, my beef in the summer of rage wasn't with the prices of the items that were initially available in the NEX store, it was CCP's blasé and dismissive attitude to concerns about golden ships and ammo as well as the overall failure to deliver on promises and the worthless half-arsed implementation of WiS.

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Nyu Kaminari
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-09-23 00:24:37 UTC
The skins are just extra. I don't mind the business model because most people who think they'd be irrelevant would never pay for them anyway. My nature is a little vein when it comes to EVE so as long as they are not charging 100 bucks and I can get most of them by trading in-game currency to Plex/AUR; seems alright to me.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#53 - 2015-09-23 01:27:02 UTC
Skins are simply a money spinner for CCP, and have no relevance in the game. It is disappointing as destructible shiny painted corp and faction ships was something a lot of people were looking forward to. This has pushed that prospect way into the future now if ever at all..

Hopefully they can fleece as much as they can from those who want to play space barbie and put it into more interesting features.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-09-23 01:48:40 UTC
What's a yartard? Is that even a word? When I google it, I find this thread, so it's probably not.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#55 - 2015-09-23 01:54:10 UTC
Don't like them, don't buy them.


d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2015-09-23 02:12:53 UTC
Prices are a bit high. Would be fine if it applied to the entire hull line and not one specific ship our of the line....

Been around since the beginning.

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2015-09-23 03:19:59 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden.

Why would you buy something with no production limits to feel unique? I didn't acquire a skin to feel unique, I bought one because I felt the Golem looked better in Kaalakiota colors.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#58 - 2015-09-23 04:02:30 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Hopefully they can fleece as much as they can from those who want to play space barbie and put it into more interesting features.

Nice shirt, Bro!
I had one of those but in navy blue. I sold it for what isk I bought it for after I bought the full pirate faction suit that I have on right now using aur/cash. The eye thing I won in a forum competition. Bought one bomber skin with cash/aur and another frig skin with isk. It all doesn't look as cool as the old avatars, but dang bro!, you look amazing in that "barbie" suit. Rock ooon!
Lol

<-- btw far from a fan of WiS, but I've helped CCP recoop some loss after they repented from WiS and did things the way we wanted, I give them that. Note to CCP: Western style cowboy hats, naow! Smile

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-09-23 06:24:22 UTC
Did you know some games now use operatives to haunt forums to create the impression of player-based support for their "new ideas" (which are actually modifications to fit business models)? Yeah. Odd, huh? Almost devious.

Ship skins. ROFLMAO. Ship skins.

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#60 - 2015-09-23 06:33:26 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
[i]Did you know some games now use operatives to haunt forums

<-- CIA operative ShockedLol Yeah, I pass intel and orders to the goons on what to do.
Forget western style cowboy hats, CCP tinfoil hats, naow! Lol

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