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[Galatea] First batch of sov capture iterations

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Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#561 - 2015-08-19 19:52:22 UTC
Ted McManfist wrote:
Icycle wrote:
I forgot to mention this, but when we did it I was looking for moon goo and nother thing that kept me laughing is the poor bastard that will have to go and spend all the time anchoring all the modules cos he did not bother with fuel. Thank you for reminding me that too. Lol


Like Genny would have let you keep any of it. I can't count how many times I've heard "Contract all loot to Gen" as you were running away from Dek Defense


by that he means faction loot. There has been cases if you catch a freighter or a JF he will tell you keep it all. I think thats very fair. Again as I said. I am not rich. I make suffient isk to get into a ship and blow stuff up. I do not care about isk.
bigbillthaboss3
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#562 - 2015-08-19 20:09:41 UTC  |  Edited by: bigbillthaboss3
Hey Fozzie, I got an idea (to get back on topic) -

Since you guys are all hyped up about these new 'ship skins' and what not, make skins a blue print. Once you purchase the blueprint, you have to manufacture it. Now you have to introduce a new resource into the game - throw it in nullsec and TA DA! you just created new rewarding content for sov. You could even make certain style/category skin resources regionally exclusive.


Also, I am a firm believe that Entosis links should work like a cyno, siege, triage etc. and restrain all movement but allow reps, all modules, you can even let your interceptors fit them.
Capitaltini
A Bar of Soap
#563 - 2015-08-19 20:13:18 UTC
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Hey Fozzie, I got an idea (to get back on topic) -

Since you guys are all hyped up about these new 'ship skins' and what not, make skins a blue print. Once you purchase the blueprint, you have to manufacture it. Now you have to introduce a new resource into the game - throw it in nullsec and TA DA! you just created new rewarding content for sov.


Also, I am a firm believe that Entosis links should work like a cyno, siege, triage etc. and restrain all movement but allow reps, all modules, you can even let your interceptors fit them.


Entosis links should shut down the stargates to the system you are in and boot everyone else from it, that way you dont have to burn off of the node when someone enters local. It would be no different than it is now. I think they already have this implemented well with "socket closed" so its just a minor change. There would be absolutely no risk of creating tidi from blobbing! All of CCP's master plans would follow through and capitals would truly be useless!
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#564 - 2015-08-19 20:19:48 UTC
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Hey Fozzie, I got an idea (to get back on topic) -

Since you guys are all hyped up about these new 'ship skins' and what not, make skins a blue print. Once you purchase the blueprint, you have to manufacture it. Now you have to introduce a new resource into the game - throw it in nullsec and TA DA! you just created new rewarding content for sov. You could even make certain style/category skins regionally exclusive.


Also, I am a firm believe that Entosis links should work like a cyno, siege, triage etc. and restrain all movement but allow reps, all modules, you can even let your interceptors fit them.



I believe there is something similar. Its not a blueprint but it is an item you can carry in the cargohold....So I am not sure whats the point of it unless you want it to get a BPO and make isk out of coping blue prints....

I personally think its a bit too expensive for a cyno ship Lol
Besides you should not be able to kill everything you just happen to gaze at. The target should be able to escape. Althought I think hardly this will be the case now unless a pilot is a complete moron. You should be able to do it now with a t1 frigate easelly.
2Impact
Il Sindacato
Ligma Grindset
#565 - 2015-08-19 20:33:17 UTC
So:
you (CCP) want us (people) to commit in taking SOV, and yet you give the SINGLE and not the GROUP the abilty to disrupt SOV for no reason.
As long as you are giving the possibility to a single one player in a tiny, nullfied ship to go around unpunished and play with SOV without commtting to its consenquences AND/OR reasons behind his intentions, you are STILL giving all the nullsec players base A VALID REASON to leave 0.0 space AND A VALID REASON for external entities to NOT COMMIT to it.
A small entity that wants to play with SOV has to be able to field more than frigates AND must be composed of at least a number of players, NOT A SINGLE individual going around in a damn frigate , otherwise it's just a small entity AND/OR a single player that his only purpose is to troll around people to make their life as miserable as it can be in an environment that is pushing patience far away the natural human borders.
As things are now, you must either have a very, very large group of SOV-committed players that - in their nerdish nature - will committ to even the most unbearable of the jobs, or holding SOV is rewarding only to trollers, because holding it is just plain miserable. We are talking about time Vs joy, this thing you did give us has a lot of potential but you're still failing at making it worth the time Vs joy equation.
IT'S NOT FUN.
DO YOU LISTEN TO US?
We told you I don't know how many times NO TROLLCEPTORS, you even did a survey and we all said NO TROLLCEPTORS.
WE ASKED ALL TOGHETER - odd enough - ONLY FOR 1 THING and yet you didn't deliver/listen.

A single individual doesn't make a small entity. As things are now, anyone with a corporation, could form an alliance and go in a damn ceptor capturing SOV. Do you think it's good? It's not.
Groups make fights, a single individual can make a match, if ever, at its best, and trollceptors don't make any of the two.

We've come up all togheter - odd enough - again, giving you almost the same identical feedback: no trollceptors, less nodes to make fights happen -if ever- somewhere at some point, channeling of things to a valid, sustainable, joyful point for both parties involved.
There is a specific summary about all that the SOV holding player are basically saying

http://denofiniquity.net/?p=70

Yet you're coming out with absurd proposals and ideas that will solve nothing, but maybe, just maybe make the whole fire burn people a little less than what it is now.
But still burn.

Nero burned his city because he liked to play with fire, don't forget it.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#566 - 2015-08-19 21:45:49 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Hendrink Collie wrote:
Hmm... this topic needs some serious cleaning. The past five pages has been nothing but MOA and goons bitching and gloating at each other. Roll

Agreed - it's now the last 8 pages of nothing other than:

GrrGoon
GrrMOA
GRRGOON
lolMOA
GRR......

Get a room, or a region. Hug (or fight) it out. Whatever. But the forum-based "proxy war" is almost as boring as the "weaponized boredom" that has been bandied about more than thrice.


^ Exactly. This is why we can't have nice forums!

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#567 - 2015-08-19 21:47:02 UTC
Ted McManfist wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Gella Delon wrote:
Haha what, were you in the mood for shooting that pos in interceptors i see on your killboard?


That one I must admit. I thoguht it was going to be a fast thing. Initially it was reported it was 3 poses that were offlined. Then more and lucky for us CFC came to defend it, which made it really fun when trying to kill more pos modules while been bloped by CFC. CFC guys actualy made it fun. I forgot to thank you for it!



Better "elite PvP" those offline POS mods! If your ISK efficiency isn't high enough, Genny and Uncle Goobles will be super angry!

Fozziesov: So boring, I'd rather shoot an offline POS. Working as intended!


Because shooting a ******* Ihub was such engaging gameplay Roll

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Grorious Reader
Mongorian Horde
#568 - 2015-08-19 21:47:32 UTC
Why don't they just make the entosis link require 2000pwg (same as a heavy neut). Then you can't fit it on an interceptor, and if you fit it on a cruiser or BC, you're not gonna fit a large prop. Trolling problem solved. Oh look, and a reason to use battleships. Bonus!
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#569 - 2015-08-19 21:53:51 UTC
I have removed a troll post and those quoting it.

Quote:
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

ISD Decoy

Captain

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Interstellar Services Department
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#570 - 2015-08-19 22:03:32 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Vic Jefferson wrote:

Blind hate of nullsec enthusiasts is misguided and not at all productive.


You guys are about the most negative people about nullsec that I've seen, and the amount of tedium you've gone though to establish power if amazing. I don't hate you, I feel pity for you

CCP constantly listening to you and only about 7% of the game's population in a stagnant nullsec doesn't say much for your ideas.



Yes. Generally people who actually try to live in null and play the null play style would be the most authoritative on what's wrong with it. Likewise I'd want to hear from wormhole people what's wrong with wormholes, and from low or NPC null people what's wrong with those areas. Nullsec people are not only the most qualified people to speak of its ills, they are the only people qualified to speak of its ills. As it stands, those same null people have done a pretty damn good job of outlining and dissecting every single thing that is wrong with the current system; such a complete understanding could not come from arm chairing.


I'm not sure about that whole CCP listening thing, as everyone and their alt, predicted the rise of the trollceptor, and look where we are now.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#571 - 2015-08-19 22:08:09 UTC
Warmeister wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
And clearly if that's what was being hoped for, it's failed, since the user count is still continuing to drop sharply.

does this 'sharp drop' manifests itself in ways other than people like yourself whining on forums? Because the status monitor doesn't show any sharp drops in the past 6 months.

Actually it does. Although more gradual dropping rather than sharp - Until you look at the same period last year, then it is a sharp drop.
It is strange that when you break Average online for period down into monthly increments you get different figures to the overall average.
9/2 to 9/8 inclusive = 32k average
yet
February 25k
March 24k
April 24k
May 24k
June 22k
July 21k
August to date 21k

It seems the average is taken from, 1 day per week for and hour or so where the player population reaches 30k. Average peak online is not average players online for a 24hr period. It is a shame when you look at EveOffline (the only figures we have access to) it shows average peak as average online for period.

Then if you compare the same period from 2014 where the average was considered 40k, there has been a pretty sharp drop.
I would imagine if real online figures were available they would show a very different picture.

Eve EU is alive and thrashing for life. Since starting this post, players currently online has dropped from 28.6k to 22.8k, in 25 mins. Two hours from now it will be under 20k and there it will stay until EUTZ, where number are likely to peak at 30k for around 75 mins. which somehow seems to end up being average online for period (that 24hrs)

** Eve isn't dying - It is simply adapting to less numbers online.

NB; The figures are as accurate as possible and may be slightly off (by a few hundred here and there) due to movement of the slider on EveOffline and lack of raw data. I'm pretty sure those who have been active the last 6 months would agree the numbers are reasonably accurate, despite what EveOffline states for the casual observer.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#572 - 2015-08-19 22:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
29 pages of YES IT IS and NO IT ISN'T. Good job guys.

So ignoring all that, one query: Fozzie, why are arbitrary hull-type limitations on users of Entosis links a no-no, but arbitrary speed limits on those players are a-ok?

Rather than a flat speed limit, wouldn't a proportional reduction be more open-ended? Say a ship with an active Entosis Link gets a percentage reduction in their base velocity, or the speed boost granted by any propulsion mod. We can argue over the numbers if you wish but this seems a better starting point for limiting the ability of attackers to flee the second anyone shows up to stop them. In turn there's no particularly good reason to disallow remote repping of Entosis users, especially since logistics platforms aren't generally known for their ability to outrun everything and their presence is more liklely to escalate the situation to actual combat than an interceptor or overpropped HAC.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#573 - 2015-08-19 22:12:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Wolfensrevenge wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Michelle Audier wrote:
The group most responsible for popularizing the use of 'weaponized boredom' disapproves en masse? To me, that implies that CCP is on the right track.

Posting on an alt because I'm ashamed of (almost) all of you - don't want my main(s) tainted with the stench from this thread. Lately, the EVE Online community has been setting new lows for behavior - stop it.


If you only base your opinion on the system on who is or is not against it, then you don't really have an opinion at all. You're just a lemming with huge blinders on, like most anyone who defines themselves solely in opposition to something.

Also, I would like to reiterate the old idea of banning NPC corp posters from every forum but New Citizens. Just throwing it out there.



Agreed risk free posting is just as bad as risk free pvp.Blink


I'm not talking about risk, I'm talking about one particular demographic that is most commonly used for trolling. NPC corp alts.

Anyway, regarding the sov system. Does anyone else think that a full rebalance of the Dreadnaught class is in order at this point? With the incoming rollout of citadel structures to replace POSes, all of which will also require the jesus laser to contest, the Dreadnaught has just had it's one and only role in the game very literally removed.


Dreads are useful in killing the supers...... that no one will be using because of Aegis Sov.

Damn Big smile


Everyone Kept Screaming Death to All supers... CCP Fozzie and Team 5-0 Took it a Step further and Killed the usage of all of them with the new FozzieSov system.


The Sov Little things List
Player Request: Death to all Supers
1) Made Capitals Useless via Jump Nerf.
2) Capital Escalation no longer needed in Sov Warfare.
3) Pilots no longer want to log in Capital ships due to Fatigue
4) DPS no longer needed to take Sov

Upon Completion of checklist Capitals will be effectively Killed off solving one item from the players constant request. Please work on this ASAP. - CCP Fozzie "They got what they asked for, they're dead"

Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#574 - 2015-08-19 22:13:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:

Is this really the fault of CCP, or the alliance leaders who blue up everything in sight and NIP the rest?


It's still CCP's fault, yes. It lies on them to incentivize conflict. If nullsec personal income weren't so lousy, people might find it worth fighting over more than Sort Dragon's wife, or other such personal dickery and flag waving.

So the real reason there is no conflict is because people like mittani don't earn enough Isk from ratting? That's a believable story
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#575 - 2015-08-19 22:18:10 UTC
Warmeister wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:

Is this really the fault of CCP, or the alliance leaders who blue up everything in sight and NIP the rest?


It's still CCP's fault, yes. It lies on them to incentivize conflict. If nullsec personal income weren't so lousy, people might find it worth fighting over more than Sort Dragon's wife, or other such personal dickery and flag waving.

So the real reason there is no conflict is because people like mittani don't earn enough Isk from ratting? That's a believable story


Watchlist him sometime, see how often he logs in and rats.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#576 - 2015-08-19 22:19:42 UTC
2Impact wrote:
So:
you (CCP) want us (people) to commit in taking SOV, and yet you give the SINGLE and not the GROUP the abilty to disrupt SOV for no reason.
As long as you are giving the possibility to a single one player in a tiny, nullfied ship to go around unpunished and play with SOV without commtting to its consenquences AND/OR reasons behind his intentions, you are STILL giving all the nullsec players base A VALID REASON to leave 0.0 space AND A VALID REASON for external entities to NOT COMMIT to it.
A small entity that wants to play with SOV has to be able to field more than frigates AND must be composed of at least a number of players, NOT A SINGLE individual going around in a damn frigate , otherwise it's just a small entity AND/OR a single player that his only purpose is to troll around people to make their life as miserable as it can be in an environment that is pushing patience far away the natural human borders.
As things are now, you must either have a very, very large group of SOV-committed players that - in their nerdish nature - will committ to even the most unbearable of the jobs, or holding SOV is rewarding only to trollers, because holding it is just plain miserable. We are talking about time Vs joy, this thing you did give us has a lot of potential but you're still failing at making it worth the time Vs joy equation.
IT'S NOT FUN.
DO YOU LISTEN TO US?
We told you I don't know how many times NO TROLLCEPTORS, you even did a survey and we all said NO TROLLCEPTORS.
WE ASKED ALL TOGHETER - odd enough - ONLY FOR 1 THING and yet you didn't deliver/listen.

A single individual doesn't make a small entity. As things are now, anyone with a corporation, could form an alliance and go in a damn ceptor capturing SOV. Do you think it's good? It's not.
Groups make fights, a single individual can make a match, if ever, at its best, and trollceptors don't make any of the two.

We've come up all togheter - odd enough - again, giving you almost the same identical feedback: no trollceptors, less nodes to make fights happen -if ever- somewhere at some point, channeling of things to a valid, sustainable, joyful point for both parties involved.
There is a specific summary about all that the SOV holding player are basically saying

http://denofiniquity.net/?p=70

Yet you're coming out with absurd proposals and ideas that will solve nothing, but maybe, just maybe make the whole fire burn people a little less than what it is now.
But still burn.

Nero burned his city because he liked to play with fire, don't forget it.

I TOO can capitalise RANDOM PARTS of my SENTENCES so that to the casual observer they will appear to be FAR MORE IMPORTANT and INSIGHTFUL than they actually are.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#577 - 2015-08-19 22:25:26 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Back when every MAJOR power bloc started rolling out their own versions of Brave Dojo because


I need to make a slight correction on history & the chronology about this tidbit: Certain major power blocs already had programs similar to Brave Dojo before Brave was established. Moreover, there were also other in-game non-aligned venues such as Rookie Help channel that functioned similarly. However, if Dojo was a place where applications and classes were frequent, maybe that would be a proper differentiator regarding history.

Just a thought. :P


I was Corrected earlier :P I stayed silent and accepted the lesson. I will tho say Dojo was the Well Known out of them all, never participated in it since I was well into my years in this game already. But Dojo was the more Advertised would probably be better wording. You heard about it everywhere compared to Waffles or other areas. But I accept my history lesson from the other gentleman a few pages back and yourself!
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#578 - 2015-08-19 22:32:43 UTC
Gella Delon wrote:
Icycle wrote:
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile



Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.


lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels

I dont have to say more.


You have no ihubs you idiot, TCU's are worthless in the current system.


Hey they worked hard for those TCU's! Just because they can't fully take the system, just because they are not organized enough to hold a system, just because they are not skilled enough to hold a system, just because they are to risk-averse to hold a system means nothing! They got the TCU! It's their flag planted in the middle of something screaming

"HAI! Attention Whore here! HAI! HAI! HAI! I did Something! Hai! See us! Can you now! We're somewhat relevant as NPC station dwellers goes! No other NPC Station dwelling organization can claim holding a TCU! No Hi-Sec Corp can claim a TCU, We did! We dock up just the same as they do.. but we got a flag on the map! You can see us now! We're an Elite Hi-Sec Alliance! Talk to you tomorrow, were going back to NPC to dock up"

But it's theirs! they *coughs* Battled *coughs* long and hard to win that! Let them have their moment so Goblin pays them.
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#579 - 2015-08-19 22:35:13 UTC
Gella Delon wrote:
Icycle wrote:
I dont need no facilitate your structure grinding.


I'll remember you said that three months from now when you are in G Club, The Kadeshi or Darkness like all your predecessors before you.


Or begging to rejoin the Imperium .. they are only around because they are a Bitter Ex-Girlfriend who can't move on.
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#580 - 2015-08-19 22:44:03 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Alright, it is our understanding that our beloved friends in Mordus Angels alliance had an issue fully comprehending Reagalan's previous post. As such, one of our spies in Mordus Angels came up with a proper translation of the post to usual MoA lingo.

Reagalan wrote:
MoA translated text



Whoever did this deserves a week off from his RL Job and plenty of liquor that week. Simply Brilliant. My eyes are bleeding from Reading near Authentic MoA writing and laughing at the same time.