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[Galatea] First batch of sov capture iterations

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Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#521 - 2015-08-19 18:53:40 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Gella Delon wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Ask anyone in MOA. Everybody knows that I am for it. I actually like doing it but I wont spend the whole night at it. Not cos I am told to but mostly cos I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live. Thats what drives me. That and that I dont like the CFC policies. I mean who does not like killing CFC? I know I do. Otherwise I would have joined another alliance

You're not good enough to get in any other alliance, thats why you joined Mordus Angels.

They take bad players and F1 monkeys like you as long as they drink the koolaid.


These days you can get to almost any alliance. In the old days it was more strict.
I dont know what koolaid is...I drink water or juice. Is there anything else you want to know about me?


I'd recommend drinking whatever it is that can aid in mental development, which would finally make it possible for MoA posters to spell words out correctly in anything they type.

How come you guys all manage to fail in spelling and grammar despite spellcheck virtually being built in with every modern web browser out there?


I type. I dont run spell checker. Not a grammar nazi. Besides english is not my first language.
Tallardar
Doomheim
#522 - 2015-08-19 18:54:20 UTC
Icycle wrote:
We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.


But you'll be told to take systems in Pure Blind by a blogger because....
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#523 - 2015-08-19 18:54:35 UTC
Icycle wrote:
Querns wrote:
Icycle wrote:
That and that I dont like the CFC policies

What, like the policy where alliances in the Imperium are expected to participate in mutual defense? You know, the thing that MOA failed to do even in a token fashion, leading to their removal from the coalition.


Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.


And yet, you work for Gevlon Goblin not just willingly, but wholeheartedly.

Sounds like you're someone's ***** to me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#524 - 2015-08-19 18:55:15 UTC
Icycle wrote:
Querns wrote:
Icycle wrote:
That and that I dont like the CFC policies

What, like the policy where alliances in the Imperium are expected to participate in mutual defense? You know, the thing that MOA failed to do even in a token fashion, leading to their removal from the coalition.


Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.

Which is why you joined the then-CFC in the first place.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

bigbillthaboss3
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#525 - 2015-08-19 18:55:43 UTC
Icycle wrote:

Do you seriosuly think we will be chasing a 50K alliance? Lol
You know what, we might do it for the laugh. After we do kill a LOT of CFC..


I bet if you put 50,000 fish in a single pond, you'll catch one.
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#526 - 2015-08-19 18:56:18 UTC
Tallardar wrote:
Icycle wrote:
I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live.


According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting.


No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis.
Kystraz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#527 - 2015-08-19 18:58:31 UTC
Icycle wrote:
Tallardar wrote:
Icycle wrote:
I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live.


According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting.


No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis.


So... they're using the systems then?

Got it.
Tallardar
Doomheim
#528 - 2015-08-19 18:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallardar
Icycle wrote:
Tallardar wrote:
Icycle wrote:
I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live.


According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting.


No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis.


That's exactly the point of the sov system. CFC are using those systems, which is what I said. Thanks for agreeing.
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#529 - 2015-08-19 18:59:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Querns wrote:
Icycle wrote:
That and that I dont like the CFC policies

What, like the policy where alliances in the Imperium are expected to participate in mutual defense? You know, the thing that MOA failed to do even in a token fashion, leading to their removal from the coalition.


Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.


And yet, you work for Gevlon Goblin not just willingly, but wholeheartedly.

Sounds like you're someone's ***** to me.


lol. I never met the guy. Never even spoke to him. To me its nothing to do with Gevlon. I do like watching his web site from time to time thoguht cos he is good with stats. Kinda offers something the rest of eve does not. Also I love to see all the hate posts he get. I find it funny.
Ted McManfist
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#530 - 2015-08-19 18:59:19 UTC
Icycle wrote:
We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.


Unless Gooble Gobble pays you. Then you seem OK with it.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#531 - 2015-08-19 19:01:03 UTC
Icycle wrote:
Tallardar wrote:
Icycle wrote:
I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live.


According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting.


No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis.

Please enlighten us, then — if that doesn't count as "living in a system" then what does?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Ama Zing
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#532 - 2015-08-19 19:01:06 UTC
Hi Fozzie,

you did it wrong!

If you want content, immobilize the entosis users and let them receive reps. That will lead to fleets fighting for sov and defenders have to react.

But that 4k/s ceptor concept is just supporting trolls. And lowering the timers is even worse!
I guess you have tried to catch a ceptor - so look at it from a fair perspective.
Running around and hitting entosis links on whatever is reachable and run away will break your small fights concept.

cheers
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#533 - 2015-08-19 19:02:09 UTC
Icycle wrote:
[quote=Querns]Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.
Lol? Yet you do whatever gen eve and gevlon tell you to do.

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Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#534 - 2015-08-19 19:02:26 UTC
Tallardar wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Tallardar wrote:
Icycle wrote:
I concider wrong when you hold on to a system you dont live.


According to the data, CFC live in the systems you seem to think they aren't inhabiting.


No they dont. They moved a few miners in and are activelly trying to raise the system level to make it harder to entosis.


That's exactly the point of the sov system. CFC are using those systems, which is what I said. Thanks for agreeing.


I am not waisting my time raising the system. I like more to pvp or talking rather than ratting. I am ok with been poor. I dont think you need to be rich to have fun in this game. Thats my personal view. You can waist all your time if you want, I will not, except to cause pain. I like to be more offensive than defensive.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#535 - 2015-08-19 19:02:54 UTC
Icycle wrote:
To me its nothing to do with Gevlon.


Cool. You're still his *****, at least he certainly seems to think so(as do your leadership, who is more than happy to do his bidding), which puts the lie to your anti authority rant a while ago.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#536 - 2015-08-19 19:03:27 UTC
Alright, it is our understanding that our beloved friends in Mordus Angels alliance had an issue fully comprehending Reagalan's previous post. As such, one of our spies in Mordus Angels came up with a proper translation of the post to usual MoA lingo.

Reagalan wrote:
i'm sayenng this ass nicely ass pussiblele. fozziesov is e broken and fundamentally flawead system. naoh amount of tweakenng will evar makae it work ass well ass eithar of teh two previous sov systems. fozziesov is not engagenng for teh averagae fleet member, hwo has to wait around hwilele teh magical sov hackers do awl teh work. undar dominion sov, yoeur averagae fleet membar got to contributa vie dps, and at least got killmails at teh end. fozziesov is not fun for e sov defender, hwo has to racae to defend buffar zoneis from entitis hwo havae naoh intention of actually takenng yoeur space, or holdenng it, or even usenng it. it's not fun to chasae interceptors around. this has also been e problem ass far back ass sincae interceptors recievead bubblele ammunty hwich was also onae of teh worst design decisions in teh heistory of evae. fozziesov lacks pwermanencae. undar dominion sov, losenng e system was putentially, for awl intents and purposes, pwermanent. it could putentially fall into e timezonae from hwich you would Nefer buh ablele to takae it back. undar fozziesov, you can losae systems and takae them back latar. losenng yoeur spacae therefoare has far less valuae. theare is less on teh linae. sincae losenng spacae has less value, fewar pweoplele givae e **** about their spacae. this is readily apparent in teh mass exodus from nullsec. fozziesov discourageis fightenng becausae it doeis not forcae an entity to control e grid in ordar to win an objectivae. ironically, this was onae of teh statead goals of teh system. it discourageis fightenng becausae theare is naoh naeead to commit anythenng nomare to win an objectivae than e singlele sovhackar. any fleet that splits itself to covar multiplele nodes, and protect multiplele sovhackers, will fall prey to e fleet that maintains coherency, and rolls ass onae largae group winnenng multiplele small fights. it's therefoare in teh best interest of e defendar to not engage, to retain e "fleet-in-being" to discouragae an attackar from splittenng uep. by preventenng an attackar from splittenng uep, hue can therefoare maximizae teh tedium on part of teh attackers. dominion sov, at least, forcead both teh attackar and defendar to commit to e grid to fight ovar an objective, naoh mattar how adamant teh defendenng fc was at attemptenng to blueball teh attackers. theare was always e final timer, and teh defendar must show uep for it in force, or losae. fozziesov's focus on teh "small entities" detracts from teh ammensae amount of organization that has gonae into teh maintenancae of largae spacae empireis. teh idee that small, disorganizead entitis should havae an easiar timeam defendenng their space, or advantageis hwen attackenng someonae else's, is contrary to teh concept of "effort vs reward". this blind focus on teh "small entities" has also directly lead to far fewar largae fights in nullsec, and indeed, teh naeead for them. largae fights, largae wars, largae empires, and largae fleets, havae always been far greatar content producers than small gangs, or "small entities". largae fleets makae stragglers, targets for small gangs to catch, and reasons for industrialists to build things. largae wars involvae thousands of pelayers, given them reasons to log in, reasons to fight, and reasons for largae battleis involvenng mass destruction of ships to occeur. largae empireis drivae e metagameam that is not found in any othar gameam in teh world, and providae organizations and structureis hwich unita largae numbers of pelayers and providae e support naetwork for naew ones, and causeis and reasons for oldar oneis to log in. eve's metagameam has been teh numbar onae drivar of content for teh gameam. teh metagameam produceis hueadlines, teh metagameam produceis naew pelayers. fozziesov, and teh focus on "small entities", aims to systematically destroy awl of these, and, by extension, destroys e largae part of hwy wae pelay evae at awl. despita teh focus on "small entities", fozziesov hueavily favors largae entitis witht largae numbers of pweoplele hwo aare capablele of providenng extre ships to fit sovlasers to, and to rat and keep uep adms. thae adms of fozziesov aim to restrict teh sizae of e spacae empiare on teh concept of "occupancy sov". in heindsight, "occupancy sov" was e misguidead and flawead concept. teh sizae of e spacae empiare should not buh limitead to teh amount of spacae it can utilize, but by teh military pressuare exertead by teh othar pelayers and their spacae empireis. entosis links, teh cornerstonae of fozziesov, aare e major contributor to teh flaws of fozziesov, and aare also e fundamentally flawead concept that should Nefer havae been amplementead. thae idee of e "magical spacae laser" that determineis hwosae flag is pelantead in spacae is, even on it's face, e laughablele concept. wae dumpead millions of skillpoints into combat skills for e reason. citadels, hwich so-far louk likae e goud re-work of pus/stations, aare greatly hamstrung in their putential becausae of their reliancae on entosis link mechanics. thae issuae of "trollceptors" is e direct result of entosis links. teh ehp grind of dominion sov, and of pus, was an inherent inhibitor of "troll" tactics. heighar dps ships inherently cost nomare nomney. ehp grinds were, by design, inherently conducivae to risk-reward concepts. to effect e changae in sov, you naeedead to commit. this commitment was e major drivar of conflict. hwen e sov war occured, it was e big deal. ehp grinds may not has been that much fun, but that wasn't teh puint. evae was Nefer e "fun" gameam. evae inherently is incapablele of beenng e "fun" gameam.
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#537 - 2015-08-19 19:04:31 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Icycle wrote:
[quote=Querns]Look the manifesto. We do our own thing. We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.
Lol? Yet you do whatever gen eve and gevlon tell you to do.


Ask anyone or maybe you can listen in with your spies on TS. I actually do like this.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#538 - 2015-08-19 19:06:12 UTC
Quote:
i'm sayenng this ass nicely ass pussiblele.


And I couldn't read anymore, because I cracked up. Well done.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Harry Saq
Of Tears and ISK
ISK.Net
#539 - 2015-08-19 19:07:02 UTC
Reagalan wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Dominion sov was flawed. The investment required to be a player in the Sov game at that time was a massive super fleet.....


This is mostly true, and was a major issue in Dominion, however, multiple exceptions exist.

A great many entities were able to hold space in Dominion sov without the use of supercaps, or even regular caps. They held their space by leveraging comparative advantages or by following strategies other than simple "shooting things". This gave the system very deep and emergent gameplay.

Diplomacy was one of the largest factors. Prior to the rise of the rental empire, the majority of smaller entities got their foot in the door by joining up with established entities, or forming coalitions to challenge established powers. The inherent need to organize such campaigns meant those who put in the effort would reap the rewards. Examples exist throughout the Dominion period. Intrepid Crossing took and held Cobalt Edge due to deals with the old DRF. Parallels exist between the "guests" of the old Northern Coalition and many members of the earlier incarnations of N3. TEST originally was granted Fountain via a diplomatic exchange. Provibloc holds it's space via diplomatic means. The Imperium has always put a high value of diplomacy. Even BRAVE was able to take Catch due to diplomatic relations with N3.

The problems came about because of the rise of the rental empire. Rental empires, however, were a symptom of a much deeper problem. Rental empires did run counter to diplomacy, and worked actively against the ability of smaller entities to leverage diplomatic means to gain sov. Why would you treat with these smaller entities when you can just force them into your rental empire?

Rental empires, however, require an overwhelming military advantage to work. The owners of the space must be able to easily crush any possible opposition that might come against it, without losing too much in the war to make holding and renting the space unprofitable.

This is where the issue comes from. The game provided the means by which an entity could easily make such a war happen. Without these means, rental empires would never have become a thing.

These means, the issue, that has plagued Eve since 2009, has been, and remains, the overwhelming concentration of wealth and power in the form of supercarriers and titans.

Every single issue with Dominion sov, the stagnation, the reliance on supercaps, the rental empires, "power projecion", were all symptoms of the underlying cause: the overwhelming wealth and power concentration in the form of supercaps and titans.

Had this issue been tackled in November 2014, instead of the red-herring problems of "power projection" and the sov system, we would not be in the scenario we are today. The massive collateral damage of both Fatigue and Fozziesov would never had occurred.

lol - ah, good'ol day syndrome and revisionist history all rolled into one...

...but seriously, dominion sov + moon income = fat dumb and happy sprawling empires of emptiness, the rest are just details

The old world is dead, move on, think smaller, be happy (just hope to god they kill passive income and nuke moon mining into the stone age, or atleast make it an active task, that'll atleast finally relegate afk Empire building farmville....er...eveville...into the history books)
Gella Delon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#540 - 2015-08-19 19:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Gella Delon
Tallardar wrote:
Icycle wrote:
We dont like to be told what to do. I would say we got a problem with authority or been someones b*tch.


But you'll be told to take systems in Pure Blind by a blogger because....

Tallardar pls, they get in their entosis troll ships every night and orbit that beacon for hours, run away if someone comes in and go to another system because its fun and engaging gameplay and they like to pvp...a beacon.