EVE General Discussion

You would be surprised how accurate that statement is. Unfortunately.

Its not about pesimism or realism, its about Hillmar not giving a **** about what you do in game as long as he can milk it. He have guys and gals who make everything for him meanwhile. Even write his official letters to us.

Sure you are friend.

That it was on Gevlon's blog means it's worth less that nothing. Seriously, that guys usually manages to get things the complete opposite of right.

As for your elitist hate of casuals - *shrug* - they pay subs so who cares if they want to log in for 10 hours a day or not.

But below is the main point:


So you are easily entertained, that's good to know. I generally have between 4 and 16 accounts logged on at any one time, usually with at least 2 different playstyles and don't find that as entertaining as it could be (though entertaining enough to stick about). The reason for that is that EVE is not immersive. Nothing drags you in and keeps you in, because nearly every mechanic is passive. There's a reason it's nicknamed "spreadsheets in space".

And no, I don't think CCP should do something for me because first off I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm important enough to drive dev direction and secondly they already have me as a paying customer so they don't need to appease me further. What I am saying though is this is one of the problem areas I see in this game from my perspective.

With enough info from enough players on what they legitimately see as areas of the game that aren't as entertaining or could be improved, CCP can make educated decisions on where to take the game. OTOH, saying "I don't like this idea which wouldn't affect me in the slightest cos :reasons: and if CCP try to put it in I'll scream and scream and scream until I'm sick" isn't helpful. It's entitlement. Like other people who like other things aren't good enough to come and play your game. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

Arguably spaceships is also failing, so the problem may not be development direction.

And that means that nothing said within films can be applied to real life?

People already have an excuse to stay docked, that's why Jita has so many docked players.

And if you think about it, having different things at different stations and some stuff tied to corp office rental would encourage people to fly around to different stations rather than remotely doing everything.

So, rather than understand that it's you, you blame 'the mechanics'.

EVE is immersive to the type of player that can be immersed by what it has to offer (people like me and unlike you and Isthanchuk). Even now away from home I'm sitting here thinking about how I can turn a ratting ishtar into something that can fight back against a ceptor gank (hmm, point plus gecko + web drone plus medium drones for extra dps hmmmm). I'm immersed and I'm not even playing...

What you are doing is common among people who blame external things rather than look inward, and it's annoying as hell because you types never understand that your unhappiness is internal and no amount of fixing extra outside things can help.

Translation, you are more fit for Elite than EVE, but would rather see EVE change (which would kill the game for those of us who love it) rather than just F'ing off to play something you like. And you obviously like Elite better because you just demonstrated that.



And it is the very perspective that is wrong.



There is that other thing that you do (it's just deflection btw). it's the idea that people care about this issue 'despite the fact that it would affect them'. It's a variation of the old "you just want me to platy your way" lie that people tell themselves when faced with an uncomfortable truth. Now one gives a damn about how you play, no one cares if you want to play space barbie, have at it.

However CCP wasting time affects everyone. CCP repeating past mistakes affects everyone. CCP taking finite resources away from something they do well (spaceships) trying to appease people who can't be made happy in the 1st place with non-spaceship fluff affects everyone. CCP is just not a good company when it divides it's attention. CCP is a good company when it focuses on what is important and what it is good at.


And if CCP gives you what you want, and it goes wrong, and they lose everything, you aren't going to take any of them in and feed them, now are you? This is why what you say and what you want are ultimately irresponsible.

What I'm saying to CCP is "keep doing what you know works, keep your jobs, your ability to feed your families, and ignore these massively entitled A-holes who think you should risk all that again so that they can pretend they are space pilots having a space meeting in a space hanger".

Fixed that for you.

I'm sure they will :)
They probably won't get it.

Actually, I like both, and so I play both. And remember, WiS was CCPs own vision for EVE. That's the vision I support. More immersion is what I've supported since I started in 05. What you're effectively saying is that EVE should only support players like you and everyone else should get ******, even if CCP want to branch out to more players. You seriously don't realise how arrogant and entitled that sounds?

In your opinion... CCP need to hear opinions from all different types and decide what to do with all of them, not just yours because you said so.

It really depends on what "wasting time" is, and that's subjective. To me, asteroid belt debris, skins, the entire new rendering system, all the new icons and anything they do to lowsec/wormhole space is "wasting time" because it's all things I don't care about.

What you're saying here is once again "What I don't like is bad, CCP shouldn't do that". Sorry friend, but that's not your decision. CCP should know that if they choose to push forward with their goal of having WiS, there are plenty of people that will support that. You want to put across that we are objectively wrong for supporting that, but we're not, it's simply a matter of taste.

You just said you find EVE so uninteresting that you play other games while playing it.




Microsoft had a vision called Zune once. How many times does a vision have to fail before you say "whelp, that wasn't a good idea?



Being in (and wanting to maintain) a situation one is already fit for instead of watching that situation be perverted by unhappy incompatible people is not "arrogant and entitled". What is arrogant and entitled is expecting the world to change to suit you rather than you changing yourself to suit it.

EVE is not what you want it to be. It cannot be. Asking CCP to make it into something you'd like more when you already have options you like such as Elite (where as people like me have much more limited options, most of the gaming world is to panzy for us) is the definition of greed.



Those things are about space ships or space, thus they are relevant. I do't care about them either, but they meet the "focuses on spaceships" requirement.

Things with legs sitting on furniture do not.



Your taste is wrong. You are literally the Vegan sitting in a steak house complaining. CCP used to be wrong as well, which is why they had so many failures. Now CCP is doing it right for the most part (focusing on what they know how to do). I know that burns y'all unrealistic "EVe could be great if" types, but there it is.

My 'side' is winning, and has won the war, CCP has no plans for this crap. We're posting in this thread to remind CCP that your side was defeated (not by us, by reality....) for a damn good reason, so CCP does not repeat the failures of the past. Because doing so would put this game we play at real risk.

Which doesn;t mean I get no enjoyment from it, it simply isn;t immersive or challenging enough to draw my complete attention.

It's currently called Xbox Music and is soon to be called Groove, with the hardware and software now integrated into windows phones and xboxes. I've got an active subscription. I'd bet they have more subs than EVE.

That's not what's happening here though. You're saying that CCP should not develop WiS even if that's their vision of EVE and even if that would bring in more players and thus more revenue because you don't like it. That's entitlement whatever way you swing it.

And yes, it certainly can be something I'd like more. It's taken some steps in that direction already. The thing is what you are arguing against is what CCP have stated is their future vision for EVE, and yet somehow I'm terrible for supporting that.

They aren't relevant at all. Mot of us will never see them and I don't care for their existence, therefore to me CCP have wasted their dev time making them when they could instead have been improving gameplay mechanics or releasing new ship types. Things like "making floating space rocks prettier" is no different from "making floating space buildings prettier".

No, I'm the guy in the steak house eating steak and saying "If you did ribs too, that would be awesome". You seem to have this thing where you like to pretend that If I'm not like you and I don't love everything in EVE that I must be the complete opposite and unfit to play the game.

There are no "sides" in this mate, there's just people with their opinions and CCP making decisions. Like how they ruled out MT and yet have MT, just because it's not happening right now doesn't mean it never will. What puts this game at risk is toxic members of the community like you who feel they are entitled to have a say over who else is and isn't allowed to express their opinions.