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[Aegis] More balance! - Ishtars, DDAs and the Tempest

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Sargon Matrix
Perkone
Caldari State
#701 - 2015-07-07 01:23:49 UTC
Why does CCP's concept of re-balancing consist of nerfing everything?
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#702 - 2015-07-07 01:26:26 UTC
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Funny how there is no one that is saying the Myrm, Eos, or the Prophecy are "OP" yet still get hammered with the DDA nerf. Also how about those drone related implants that seem to not exist. Ya, some "balance". Roll

Edit: Lets not even mention that drones are destructible or that they have to travel to target (aside from sentries).


2% per mod on a damage mod is hammered now? What was it called when HML got nerfed then?

So you are saying the nerf is not going to effect said ships? Okay.

Nope. He questioned your use of 'hammered'.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#703 - 2015-07-07 01:27:11 UTC
Sargon Matrix wrote:
Why does CCP's concept of re-balancing consist of nerfing everything?

It's easier to hammer a nail or two down, than to try and pull the rest up.
Mazzara
Band of the Red Sun
#704 - 2015-07-07 01:33:43 UTC
What?I normally keep an open mind with ccp's changes but I have to disagree on the drone nerf.
No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use, you can't wash shame!
bassy nook
Blaze Orange Expeditions
#705 - 2015-07-07 02:59:51 UTC
Bunka en Daire wrote:
Why u just dont delete drone boats from game???
Even better u can mix up vexor and ishtar in one ship, so no more efforts for nerfing.

Or better why u just do not BUFF other ships, so u must nerf all drone boats, because of tiiiiit BLOBERS?

So when some1 invest year in training drones, u just nerf them and u make that one year of training pointless...

Bad thing with all this nerfing is beacuse u base all that on +200 mans fleet...so....do u think all eve players are part of CFC, PL, and other so called alliances who enjoy to blob 200 ishtars on one Maelstrom???





Exactly#!! So much training time wasted. I felt the same way when they changed the blueprint system.
I spent years researching ME and PE to just in one day losing almost all of it.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#706 - 2015-07-07 03:25:29 UTC
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:
Funny how there is no one that is saying the Myrm, Eos, or the Prophecy are "OP" yet still get hammered with the DDA nerf. Also how about those drone related implants that seem to not exist. Ya, some "balance". Roll

Edit: Lets not even mention that drones are destructible or that they have to travel to target (aside from sentries).


2% per mod on a damage mod is hammered now? What was it called when HML got nerfed then?

So you are saying the nerf is not going to effect said ships? Okay.


No I'm not but I guess what you just said you can't read. I had doubt about it since you could not make a realistic evaluation of the nerf presented by CCP Rise but I guess it's worse than I though...
Stragak
#707 - 2015-07-07 03:37:16 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results.


Whack an Ishtar.


Yes but some of us still remember the drake before the glory days, during the glory days, and after the glory days...

"Oh look, the cat is sitting in the litter box and pooping over the side again" every time we go through these "rough patches". In good humor, and slight annoyance, Boiglio   https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238130&p=82
The Mach
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#708 - 2015-07-07 03:42:00 UTC
Nerfing carriers and supercarriers again? So much for making isk via carrier... may as well move to highsec and run incursions, MUCH less risk and WAY better reward.

-1. (try again)
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#709 - 2015-07-07 03:50:50 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Sargon Matrix wrote:
Why does CCP's concept of re-balancing consist of nerfing everything?

It's easier to hammer a nail or two down, than to try and pull the rest up.



If only they could hammer down the right nails....seems like they are just hammering the nails they don't want to pull even more with the DDA changes and just tapping the bad nails sticking out.

I see the hull changes and maybe its me with some time in sniper cerbs....2 slot glass cannon tanks (what I ran sometimes) look bad on paper but you have to remember the range you can pull (sentry gets some reach as well, sometimes apples and oranges can live together lol).....is also part of your tank. try to be deep falloff or just out of range and tank not even hit hard much if done right and you get some lucky breaks. Ishtar doctrine I would not be surprised will ride on that more.

But time will tell about that I reckon.
Bert96 Bertopolis
US Space Force
D3ad End
#710 - 2015-07-07 05:27:16 UTC
Tempest buff: +1

Regarding the Ishtar, why not just remove the sentry gun bonuses? It's the only cruiser that gets to use battleship size weapons (and gets bonuses for them). Instead of playing whack-a-mole, just take off the sentry bonuses and be done with it.

If you guys really want to balance the Gallente with their sentry drones, just put them on a BC with the same bonuses but they've got no business being on a cruiser.
Zenmaster Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#711 - 2015-07-07 05:36:31 UTC
I've been skilling drones and Ishtar for, I dunno, over half a year. I want my money back.
Singe Walker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#712 - 2015-07-07 05:45:19 UTC
Just so I have this straight:

1. We identified that the Ishtar is powerful.
2. We need to fix that, so we are going to change some of the ships attributes (kudos, this makes sense)
3. Hmmm also lets nerf ALL the drones in game, that should fix the Ishtar!


Problem is not with drone damage, the problem is with the Ishtar's sentry drone bonus. you lowered all drone damage, so effectively the Ishtar is STILL the best drone boat, all that was accomplished was nerfing everything else. Now that is definitely one of the most ineffective changes I have seen.

other than that, the rest sounds interesting!
Kibitt Kallinikov
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#713 - 2015-07-07 06:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kibitt Kallinikov
Singe Walker wrote:
Just so I have this straight:

1. We identified that the Ishtar is powerful.
2. We need to fix that, so we are going to change some of the ships attributes (kudos, this makes sense)
3. Hmmm also lets nerf ALL the drones in game, that should fix the Ishtar!


Problem is not with drone damage, the problem is with the Ishtar's sentry drone bonus. you lowered all drone damage, so effectively the Ishtar is STILL the best drone boat, all that was accomplished was nerfing everything else. Now that is definitely one of the most ineffective changes I have seen.

other than that, the rest sounds interesting!


CCP has identified that drone boats in general are seeing more use than any other boat, regardless of whether it is an Ishtar or not. That is why they are nerfing all drone boats. They're gambling that the proposed changes will make the Ishtar into less of a shield sentry sniper for PvP and thus open up competition on that front. We'll see how things change very soon.
Ghokhu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#714 - 2015-07-07 09:31:26 UTC
Oh Lord im so happy that World of Warships is now open Beta, cause honestly? Besides of Incursions /if you have the luck to get in fleets that is/ nothing is really worth it for making isk.

That said, CCP is going the way to make us pay for monthly fee + buying PLEX to get isk for ships, which you cannot use or lose cause NO ONE wants to fight.

Tired of sitting in station or at titan to wait and drop some poor sucker who is ratting.
Tired of gatecamping in lowsec so we can kill someone who hits autopilot or is too new to really know the ways around EVE.
EVE was fun, now its more work then fun.

So CCP please nerf it all so we can start over with EVE 2.0
Have fun, im out to sink some warships...muhahaha

P.S.: BTW when do you actualy plan to release Valkyrie ? 2017? 2025 ? Never?
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#715 - 2015-07-07 10:09:48 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/afJycoE.png?1

Some people are just oblivious. Smile

What's telling is that whoever made that chart didn't eve bother with missiles....


Possibly because CCP forgot to include them? The original can be found http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/balance-changes-coming-in-scylla/

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66946/1/STEVE_7.png

Adjusted tru™ version: http://i.imgur.com/z4ynWV9.png

Smile

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dor amwar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#716 - 2015-07-07 10:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: dor amwar
Ishtar nino (nerf in name only) Roll
Crippen
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#717 - 2015-07-07 10:28:07 UTC
remove sentry bonus to tracking. lower drone BW to 100. introduce medium sentries.
AngelFood
#718 - 2015-07-07 10:41:08 UTC
Where you get your statistics from is beyond me .. ishtar still twice dps? insane now ruined .. did you forget it only has 2 rig slots

ccp need to get a new statistics analyst .. or just get one instead of using popularity freaks that you hired as devs.
Drake Naari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#719 - 2015-07-07 11:05:46 UTC
Okay, first of all I just want to say that at least they are trying to rebalance the game, and the Dev Post said that the drone changes was due to the fact of the overwhelming use of drone boats. They want others to fly ships other than the ones that were posted along with the changes. Before throwing a fit, please reread the post and don't just look at numbers.
Chatelaine Superior
Angels Dust
#720 - 2015-07-07 12:02:34 UTC
THAT ishtar balance nothing changes, - gonna continue fleet fights of ishtars with bouncers.

All needed to do just - ISHTARS CAN'T USE SENTRY DRONES.

eh.