Wormholes

Getting more pvp opportunities is v simple in c6s: make them worth fighting for. It's all about the money. Always. Make the rewards for pve better in c6s and you will see ppl flowing into that environment! Show me da karrot and I'll be foyne with a shtick in me butt. Risk & reward. Simples.

On paper that sounds nice, but a bear c6 corp will almost insta-roll connections that spawn. I'd suggest maybe doing something like a 300 mil per jump hole with say a 25 bil mass limit if you want to go that route.

Realistically you need to make more ways into a c6, that are harder to crush.

Better make all static mass varying +- 45% mass ( so you don't know how much ships you need to close it without leaving half of your alts on the other side.

Give all static also high regeneration capabilities , so unless someone really want to close the static, it will stay open for whole lifetime.

Constant , connection will be more than perfect thing to keep those wormholes full of content.

I am not really sure this is what needs to happen, particularly about the last part.

Stalking, gaining intel, forcing fights - as much components of PvP they are as shooting stuff. If people just sit in W-space waiting for someone to announce their presence to fight, then you are probably looking at equivalent of arranged fight. See, it's basically what was going on one way or another, occasionally, in WH space.

You can bring fights no matter what, get some "gfs" from neighbours, be left in peace generally - because you bring content and evicting you in not only annoying, but also counterproductive to their goals. On the other hand, you may POS up every time and be evicted if you annoy someone enough with your refusal to interact with them.

People naturally will try to look for a compromise between throwing all their income into someone's hungry maw and being labelled as bears and get themselves into real trouble. Meanwhile, other guy is not interested in pressuring that "content creator" corp too much and isn't interested in curbstomps either...

Eventually you end up with environment where not-quite-arranged fights with not much at stake except for ships you bring become norm.

Add lack of incentive to fight for territory. Reasons are basic WH mech:
You will only hold one system without splintering into what effectively can be considered several smaller entities. Your neighbourhood is your statics and you have a lot to choose from - effectively entire New Eden is yours anyway, no matter the hole you occupy. Your resources are similar to what that system next door has to offer.
In addition, you have an ability to entrench yourself pretty deep.

And even if you go out of your way to make alliances, seed some system with forces, attack somebody... What is there to reward your victory? Some fun times grinding structures, mostly. Well, maybe some nice drops from opponent's towers and all, unless he makes sure to deny you that - and hey, you were rich enough in the first place, so it's a nice bonus at best...

Tl;dr: what you are suggesting is more or less what's going on, and what we have now is consequences of natural order of things and game mechanics IMO.

What Wspace would need would be new blood.

I tried to create this, but setting up in high class as a new group is very hard. First making money as a group in C5 is not as easy as most seems to think.

I dont know what kind of spawn rate you have in c6, but in c5 space, if you have a combat anomaly a day you're lucky. You rarely have 5 combat anoms at once. And as a new group having enough capital/rapier/loki pilot is not easy. Sure when you are in one of the groups that can always have 2 carriers 6 dreads and a few lokis to login every time you fancy to run sites, its easier to make money. And if I understand correctly, living in C6 space grants you more sites than C5 (and more profitable).

When you struggle to make money its hard to convince your player base to consistenly bring T3s (assuming they can fly them) to fights where more numerous and more experienced people will more than likely beat you most of the time. In the course of 5 month we had 5 or 6 enjoyable fights, half of them because the opponent (noho and lazerhawks) were kind enough to limit what they brought to the table. As new comers, we lost these fights, and the more fight you lose, the more you need money to replace your loss to fight the next day.

I really tried to make my corp be a pvp corp, but having half the members struggling with making money was a big issue. Having only a handful of people with the skills and ships to make capital escalation makes them burn out. And yes you also run sites in your static without escalation, which we did. But this is not incredible money, and you need to farm like crazy if you want to pay the fuel and your pvp ships, and you end up farming more than you want. You cant just install pvp groups in wormholes like that. These groups needs to already be at a certain level of development, average skillpoints and competency.

I tried to take a highsec corp to C5 living in less than a year, and it was a mistake. You really need a good reserve of t3, dread and carrier pilot to thrive in highclass, and a group with mostly one year old pilots wont have this.

So where do you find groups with the required qualities, or how do you form them, given that many players will prefere to join established and stronger groups.

I also think C5 space is too vast. Ragerolling there is a waste of time especially with current activity levels. Scanning big chains has never been more successful in my experience. C6 with C6 static is the best place to make money and find wh pvp theoretically, this is were wormholers should focus in installing pvp corps.

If i read Arcturus post corretly he probably would not have enough people to run a capital escalation if he did cut the "dead weight".
The result is that his c5/c6 crew that is left would be moving to c4-c1 space.
Wich mean less pve, and even less likely to get back into c5/c6 space.
O and have you tried recruiting when you say you hardly do pve?
Going pvp only will work for a while untill some members can not keep up isk wise and then you will start hemoraging members.
And even then if you are constantly outnumbered, people will start to lose the want to get into the fight.

c5/c6 space need well skilled large groups, wich makes starting in c5/c6 to be realy hard.

O and c5 space to big is very wrong, it is the only thing that keeps you from getting pounched on constantly.

Of all the ideas in this thread, this one is the most original and the one that would have most effect. Shattered wormholes are such an underrated treasure in the diversity they offer but few make use of. Also as Jack Miton points out: Running full escalations only once in a while cover most of the needs of a pvp group.

Which is pretty much my point, when it comes to fleet level, WH space naturally leans towards fights that have something in common with arranged ones - as in, it's not "everything goes, win and destroy at all costs". I don't think that attempts to change that would be something one would consider a shot for the betterment of high class space - as long as general mechanics of W-space stays as it is now.

Actually there is a few WH corps that do operate like this and Jack has this one right. PVE only leads to your corp locking down the chain and closing them off from all PVP opportunities. WH escalations are only really beneficial to a few people at a time, any more and its a waste of the extra peoples time.

It is far more efficient to get your members to look after their own wallets on alts or in groups of alts away from your main system.

I would agree with you, but chains tend to be dead overall and just getting worse over the last year. Although not good at PVP, I do try. It's getting harder to pick fights, even for a guy with a ****** KB like me.
Seems like many smaller Alliances/Corps in WH space are seeing the same thing though. Because when you do run into someone else looking for a fight, it's usually pretty fun.