EVE General Discussion

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Just saying, maybe you are right, but take it to the arena where they can see it (I somehow doubt that they may have stopped reading this thread long ago).

The solution is to have something to occupy the big groups (drifters space, jove space, whatever), so they are distracted away from the small holders in the first place and fight each other. Ideally bad space being fought over by several small bad alliances, while valuable space would be fought over by large competent alliances. Opposed to what the situation is now, where most all sov is worth only being held by the medicore, with large rich groups appearing sansha style on small guy's borders and running farming incursions into it to stave off boredom because there's literally nothing left to do or achieve.

Actually, the ALL time frame is the sugar coating - It says average of 37K per day.
Reality is, we haven't seen 37K average per day for a few years.
We might get 37K, one day a week for a couple of hours.

"What happened in 2012" - Retribution happened. In those days thousands of players who had not played for a length of time came back to see what the expansion brought. Some stayed, some just let subs expire again. Retribution I think saw many hang around as it actually contributed something to the game.

We don't get that anymore, there are no expansions, just half finished beta addons - Who wants to bother re-subbing an account every six weeks just to see if anything new and exciting was introduced?

I just get emails now from afk friends, asking if it is worth re-subbing. Judging by recent happenings, the answer is going to remain "not really" for a while yet. (Currently out of the 30 odd players I interacted closely with for years, there are 3 of us playing but with far less characters and activity than ever before)

As long as EVE cannot charm new players to stay. While CCP hold their policy (PVP anothers who don't want to fight is not bullied) .So how could new players stand against them ? No chance . That's why new players come and gone . Who want to pay and be in the bottom of food chains.

Like a glass of water that had tiny crack in bottom.When water is dropping quickly than new water you put in. At last that glass will be empty.

All-time 37k average is about right - we had 9k people back in 2004.



Cool beans, I was AFK back then - will research Retribution expansion.

What happened in Feb of 2014 tho? From 57k PCU to 39k in two months.

P.S. Even gameplay expansions like the Retribution only adds 10-15k PCU - internet spaceships have a peak threshold.

The logical & profitable direction to pursue right now would be Walking & Interaction in Stations - Meet DUST people there and get 100k PCU.

Such an intricate avatar creation & detailing system, but the Door still remains closed.

Thought so.

The whole 2013-2014 looks to be the capital bubble Era.

They all wanted to be among the fierce warrior who waged battle in a supercap brawl over a contested system not knowing what getting to that point involved. How many decided they were not investing X amount of time in case an event that happens once in a blue moon do happen again before the server gets shut down because it was effectively playing the odds?

CCP has no control over such "advertisement" but since it was kind of promising the moon, people were probably expecting the moon and CCP just can't deliver that without crushing the rest of the game imo...

0bama Barack Hussein said; Wrong thread / part of the forum?

Maybe or maybe not, for me to sub an account for 6 months is $92.60 as we get charged in US dollars and our exchange rate is pretty low right now. Around Xmas time when I last paid subs, it was $76.
I used to pay for a couple of my accounts with $. Not any more, if i can't easily plex an account it goes inactive or up for sale (I've shed 7 so far and combined a few into a single account). I have plenty of isk for now but it will eventually run out.

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Seven Koskanaiken said; The solution ...... boredom and nothing left to do...

True but with a few minor changes Fozziesov could change all that.
This is a few changes I thought might open up Sov to more groups and bring some exciting content

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0bama Barack Hussein said; I see that sov should be made much more rewarded everywhere....... Would be perfect time for betrayal of NAP too between largest groups.

This would really bring things to life. Problem is, the betrayers have a lot to lose if they fail, so "don't rock the boat". Fear of not being able to hold ones own space is what keeps a lot of the blues tied together - In large numbers we can conquer all, alone we may fail. (replacing "may" with "would", in some circumstances is more accurate)

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai said; That's the quintessence of bittervet: When the people gone outnumber those who still play. For years I've been the only player still subscribbed of those who I met in my first times...

That is a shame - Do you think it would be worth encouraging them to start playing again? Is there enough on offer to entice some of the old school back?

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Nevase Prometeus said; As long as EVE cannot charm new players to stay

Eve does entice new players and a lot of them. It is the getting them to stay that is the problem.
It is a special kind of person who is willing to be on the bottom rung of a ladder for the time it takes to train to a level that can bring some level of success.
Brave did a pretty good job of getting new players involved at a level where the game was fun for rookies. Problem is, while losing more than you win can be fun for a while it is not fun over long periods of time. It is also only fun for a limited group of players and although Brave number over 10k, they are still only a minority and a fraction of overall subscriptions.

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Kaivar Lancer said; TBH, one of the main reasons I resubbed was BECAUSE of lower player numbers. There's less competition for resources, making gameplay less aggravating.

Funny but i sort of have to agree with you. I do like going out to do stuff, other than PVP, with less competition. Pick the right time of day and making isk is all but risk free.
The downside is, it is also much harder to find PVP when I want it.

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GankYou said; All-time 37k average is about right - we had 9k people back in 2004.

The " 37K average" like 9k in 2004 is not relevant. What is relevant is how many are online playing the game 24/7/365 "now" not a few years ago.
That number currently, is far below the 37K average and the fact the "average" comes from peak numbers of 3 or 4 years ago is a very real indication - There is something fundamentally wrong.

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GankYou said; The logical & profitable direction to pursue right now would be Walking & Interaction in Stations - Meet DUST people there and get 100k PCU.

Seriously? You think walking into a room to virtually meet others would get 100K playing?
While walking around in and interacting with others in station could be interesting - It is not a valid way to entice new players into the game.
What is needed is players in space doing things, whether it be killing other players or just running escalations, we need space ships in space.

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Lloyd Roses said; Not sure if that's refering to rules or mechanics

Game mechanics "are" rules, they are what drive or limit content.
Upcoming sov mechanics (rules) will limit content to the current meta of "bigger group wins" - So is introducing rules that limit content.

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Frostys Virpio said; They all wanted to be among the fierce warrior who waged battle....... CCP has no control over such "advertisement"......

I've often wondered how many of those who started playing as a result of a one off event like BR continued and are still here a year and a half later.

I guess I have played enough years to not bother anymore about exchange rates and such, but just payed up (as much as I had to run 3 accounts that were my multi-boxing operational limit, until I learned to PLEX my accounts in FW, now I´m down to 1 active account after sov changes, this).

EvE relies heavy on servers, that cost a lot of money to run.
Also, CCP as a company has no other games really to even mention about that I know, so whole staff is there pretty much just for EvE, what I consider not cost efficient...

2 big reasons why EvE is subscription based, and will also come more expensive during time with inflation of RL money and with possibly dropping subscription numbers, this equation surely must not have come as a suprise to you?



I´m pretty sure basic paranoia of "who makes first strike has upper hand" will work things out in time

And well CCP/EvE would not have anything to lose (compared to situation now) if they went with giving all sov systems pretty much equally as good benefits, if it forces big coalitions to spread into thousands of systems (in case they wanna "control it all"), would they?

Meaning, not even largest coalition(s) could keep thousands of systems all the time manned with enough pilots to defend succesfully against even smaller attacks.

And if they tried, well they might be betrayed in NAP (and so would all need to retreat back to fight for their homes).

Weighted-averages are always relevant.

Perhaps you didn't start the game with 5k PCU, well I did and it was FUN back then as it now. I acknowledged that the current activity is back to 2008 levels - no need to be overly emo about it.

The issue is being addressed with Sov 5.0, which you think is "irrelevant" again.