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I was hoping to see some changes based on the pages and pages and threads full of completely ignored feedback about how the SKIN system should have been designed. Not all this singular SKINs for singular hulls stuff.

And when you say 2 SKINs for Caldari and Minnie, do you mean 2 individual SKINs for 2 specific hulls, or do you mean 2 families of SKINs for a variety of hulls?

Really should have been a SKIN module slot that you could put SKINs onto whatever ships, and each SKIN would fit for multiple ships either by race or by ship class, instead of having to buy a SKIN for each individual hull. This would also more easily have applied to the day (if it ever comes) where corps can have a corp SKIN... cause with your wondrous SKIN system they would have to have a SKIN for each and every single hull variation, and hopefully they wouldn't have to buy each one.

Also, who cares if a T1 ship has the same colors as a T2 ship? Thats like saying if a player ship has the same SKIN as an NPC ship it would lead to confusion. Or if a player ship had the same icon as a NPC ship, oh wait... But seriously, if someone is basing their gameplay decisions on the color of the ship is playing the game 2000% the wrong way, and would die in a fire no matter what color any of the ships were.

And can we get any metrics on how the purchasing of SKINs from the NEX has gone since the price/infinite use changes? Or like if anyone has bought one of the $35 frigate SKINs yet?

You mean the ones I addressed and you ignored?

That's leaving aside the fact that asking for a product to be a certain way has nothing to do with self-entitlement. If EVE was a free game you might have a point but you don't.

I'd MUCH rather see existing skins usable on everything than any new ones. Especially since I highly doubt the skins you guys are making are going to apply to ships I fly much since they seem to be so singularly targeted at single ships.

As far as pricing is concerned:

- All skins of the ship class need to cost the same
- I could support a price INCREASE but only if it applied to all ships of the same class. In other words drop the prices significantly enough for individual ship skins, that a bundle of say, every T1 amarrian frigate sounds reasonable. Right now, assuming you use the $20 AUR deal as a indication of AUR/USD ratio then pack of the cheapest skins would cost $22, and that's just 6 frigates. It should probably be more like a dollar each with the pack costing 5 as an incentive to buy a skin as a group.

- 6 frigates - $5 pack
- 2 destroyers - $3 pack
- 4 cruisers - $8 pack
- 3 BCs - $7 pack
- 3 BSes - $10
- 4 capitals (5 if counting freighter) - $16/20

Full race T1: $50 (53 if you used the packs separately)

THIS is where micro transactions are micro. Because if you make a handful of skins that work for ALL ships within a faction that has quite a bit of potential. If you wanted the skin to work for all factions that'd be $200 and that still sounds high when that doesn't include any faction ships (navy or pirate) or any T2 ships.

The idea of a corp or alliance wanting to have every member using a same skin is entirely blown out the window because full skins for every ship would cost the alliance more than a titan if you had only 20 members. And that's in my reduced pricing system. For that sort of thing mine still sound too high.

The counter to this is that people in a corp probably won't be all flying EVERY ship, but people do change roles a lot. So as it is right now, it's not worth it to me to buy any skins besides a couple for ships I know I use a lot and are my favorites.

The current plan is to have 4 families of SKINs (2 Caldari, 2 Minmatar) which will be available for a variety of hulls in the initial release.

The SKIN system you propose would be a tremendous amount of QA for each SKIN released. There is nothing stopping us in the future, once SKIN lines are more fleshed out, from selling a single SKIN that applies to multiple ships. Corp-wide SKINs will probably work slightly differently when it comes to the corp purchasing and activating a SKIN. The implementation on the user end would be the same as the current system. While you;re in the corp you have access to the active corp SKIN in your fitting window, or some variation of that.

We care if the ships are the same colour. EVE has enough complex and confusing systems without adding ships that look the same but are completely different. It's also a good form of future-proofing.

I can't give out any solid metrics on SKINs sales. However a cursory glace at the SKINs in Jita show sell orders for every SKIN I looked at, including all of the frigates.

So if you haven't finished figuring out where you want to go with SKINs and are apparently still 'feeling out' the demand for it... why develop a new system that was completely opposite of anything that we had suggested in the many threads of feedback? You guys asked for our feedback, and then turned around and ignored all of it and released something nobody had asked for. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, read the entirety of the last several CCP started SKIN and/or ship color customization threads)

Perhaps, but a lot of the players who actually use and interact with your game don't care if a T1 ship looks like a T2 ship... and they sure aren't flying a T2 ship instead of a T1 ship just because of the colors... or at least I don't know anyone in game that would take a T2 ship to a T1 fight because they liked the way the colors worked out.

I'm not talking Jita sales, cause a lot of those are the ones that people spammed before you guys locked the NEX store before bringing the change in. I'm talking Aur purchases of the SKINs overall since the change, not ISK purchases.

Awesome work so far with the SKIN system- especially excited to see the new SOE variants. Thanks so much for the explanation of why particular patterns wouldn't work on certain ships as well. I had originally thought the same when I looked at how it would pattern a ship type.

Can't wait to see the new flavors coming out- will definitely spruce things up a bit in game.

Good work and keep em coming!

Just give us what we want.
Not what you think we should want.

The entire player base has told you many different ways in many different venues and ways.


Make it happen, stop pushing your desires on the playerbase, we have enough of our own that arent being met

Well as far as making sure T2 and T1 ships don't look the same, I think you need to make sure the ships have different geometry.

The Moa redo is an excellent example of this, even if they didn't have any textures you can tell the variants apart. other ships got left out, Cerberus doesn't have a separate model, and other ships like the Crane also lost their unique models some time ago. If that gets rectified, and ships differ by more than just a few thrusters and spikes, sharing a texture shouldn't be a problem.

We're doing this as we can, but it has to happen slowly. We have a limited number of 3D modelers devoted to ships, it takes time for them to do their work well, and they have other tasks, too.

Having different geometry for T2 variants whenever possible is definitely our goal, though.

I would not hold my breath for this feature.