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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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mcnuggetlol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#481 - 2011-12-23 13:44:22 UTC
not enough seven year old 4chan memes and too much articulation 1/10

p.s. i literally fell asleep reading the OP and woke up only to post this smug passive aggressive reply
WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2011-12-23 14:53:58 UTC
Sirinda wrote:
Trolling alt is trolling.

TL;DR


Oh what do you know, someone new who does not know who James315 is.

I will just tell you now, that is not an alt.
Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
#483 - 2011-12-23 15:24:56 UTC
You know, I think someone should ask CCP how they would feel about losing 100k accounts. My guess is, they're response would not be what the OP thinks.

They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago?

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#484 - 2011-12-24 14:22:16 UTC
cyndrogen wrote:
Oh man why write such a long winded explanation when we know WHY you do it.... you like it, it's that simple, it makes you feel good to destroy a ship that can't fight back and it's human to attack and prey upon the weak. Bullies have the same mentality, they enjoy to bully those who they perceive to be weak because it's easy. Don't tell me you are doing eve online favors, we know it's a load of crap, you do it because you are an antisocial little sadist who gets the greatest enjoyment out of destroying and kicking other peoples sand castles. You probably enjoy making your little sister cry too.... you are weak and pathetic and you hide behind a greater cause but in reality you are nothing more then a virtual bully.


Do all carebears since the dawn of time copy paste this stuff from a website somewhere?
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#485 - 2011-12-26 19:17:52 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Considering that many of the observations you have associated with miners apply equally to most isk making activities; easily (pseudo)botable, endlessly repeatable acts which can be used for purposeless/endless accumulation of isk, which pretty much encompasses all activities that spawn resources or direct isk as well (These arguments apply equally to just about all PvE and PI as well), why have you singled out mining? Or have I misunderstood the core of your reasoning?
This is another classic tactic of the highsec miner. They realize they have no counter-argument. They're guilty. Their only recourse is to create a distraction that prevents people from focusing on the highsec miner problem.

In other words, you're trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing to someone else's bad behavior.

If we followed your "reasoning" to its logical conclusion, we could never kill the highsec miners because first we would need to go attack the highsec missioners. And we could never kill them because we need to first eliminate the alleged botters in nullsec, and so on, and so on...

The rational thing is to focus on killing all of the highsec miners. After they're all gone, we can handle whatever problem is left. Until then, deal with it.

Of course there's good reason to believe highsec miners are the worst of the worst. They are natural botters, and as I proved in the Manifesto, they all want to be botters. The whole point of mining in highsec, as opposed to nullsec or even lowsec, is to be able to mine AFK. While it's theoretically possible that someone is running a bot in nullsec, if it were so practical, wouldn't all of the bots be in nullsec--where the most valuable ore/ice is located? But they're not. They're in highsec, where people get to be AFK and pretend they're invincible. And unlike people who run missions or incursions, no one enjoys mining. There's a reasonable argument to be made that no one should enjoy missions, but there are some who get a cheap thrill out of it like you would by stomping a Koopa Troopa. But no one enjoys mining. It's all about botting.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#486 - 2011-12-26 19:31:29 UTC
They are guilty Big smile
You man are marvelous. Indeed they are guilty..
Same as particular etnics wiped out / genocide..
They could have kill themself in the first place.
Van Upier
TxivYawg
#487 - 2011-12-26 19:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Upier
Eve Antonovich wrote:

Thanks. I mine and gank - does that make me a half-bot, or just confused?


It makes you bigankual. Now the question is whether you are a primarily ganker bigankual which makes you sexy, or a primarily miner bigankual which makes you an abomination that should be wiped out of highsec.

tl;dr for OP: I'm totally biased, but my arguments here are totally objective. Furthermore, I am 100% right, and nobody can even argue with my perfect unbiased logic. Excuse me while I go polish my knob to my killboard.
Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#488 - 2011-12-28 06:39:18 UTC
Still waiting for 'The Complete Works of James 315" Big smile
Kurokawa Ryujin
M13 Brigade
#489 - 2011-12-28 09:04:21 UTC
They are chillies. No matter how long winded or fanciful your wording is, chillies are still chillies. Dressing chillies in fancy dressing and passing it off as carrots is useless. Now you might ask why pass off chillies as carrot in the first place? Its human nature to cast their action in a more flattering light. After all carrots sound more palatable than Chillies.

Now you would ask "Why use chillies in the first place?" Well chillies is easier to "get" cost and effort wise. It caused a lot of grief and tears. After all chillies is very very hot! So hot that even Concord will come a calling. But nevertheless a lot of people still like chillies as the OP indicated.

Me? I like to call a carrot, a carrot and a chilly, a chilly...........giving 2-3 pages worth of excuses is just not my style! Bear
Lugaedh
Bluestar Enterprises
The Craftsmen
#490 - 2011-12-28 09:48:05 UTC
Hi there,

as i mine occasionally myself i do not love bots at all.

in fact, i helped to provide suiced gankers with ships and fitting to kill bots in high sec.

sadly, CCP has ceased hurting bots seemingly.

I do not mine ice in high sec - to low income.
I just mine some ore from time to time if i cannot play fully concentrated while doing some work.
and i mine at the far end of the world - and i usually have an eye on local ;)

i would guess, mots mining bots ARE ice miners.

have fun, do as you like, with conocorded ships getting no refund, you should concentrate on macjinaws... 4 destroyers can easily kill a macki - and the loot usually should be enough to refit 4 cheap desties.

fly as you like
Lugaedh
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
Villore Accords
#491 - 2011-12-28 14:46:08 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Considering that many of the observations you have associated with miners apply equally to most isk making activities; easily (pseudo)botable, endlessly repeatable acts which can be used for purposeless/endless accumulation of isk, which pretty much encompasses all activities that spawn resources or direct isk as well (These arguments apply equally to just about all PvE and PI as well), why have you singled out mining? Or have I misunderstood the core of your reasoning?
This is another classic tactic of the highsec miner. They realize they have no counter-argument. They're guilty. Their only recourse is to create a distraction that prevents people from focusing on the highsec miner problem.

In other words, you're trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing to someone else's bad behavior.

If we followed your "reasoning" to its logical conclusion, we could never kill the highsec miners because first we would need to go attack the highsec missioners. And we could never kill them because we need to first eliminate the alleged botters in nullsec, and so on, and so on...

The rational thing is to focus on killing all of the highsec miners. After they're all gone, we can handle whatever problem is left. Until then, deal with it.

Of course there's good reason to believe highsec miners are the worst of the worst. They are natural botters, and as I proved in the Manifesto, they all want to be botters. The whole point of mining in highsec, as opposed to nullsec or even lowsec, is to be able to mine AFK. While it's theoretically possible that someone is running a bot in nullsec, if it were so practical, wouldn't all of the bots be in nullsec--where the most valuable ore/ice is located? But they're not. They're in highsec, where people get to be AFK and pretend they're invincible. And unlike people who run missions or incursions, no one enjoys mining. There's a reasonable argument to be made that no one should enjoy missions, but there are some who get a cheap thrill out of it like you would by stomping a Koopa Troopa. But no one enjoys mining. It's all about botting.



Why do you persist? Why trouble yourself with such gusto on behalf of wind-blown sand, which fate will only settle somewhere else when the elements retire? Why wave in endless frustration, after the whip has unwound and the prod is broken, that cattle continue to step in their own ****, or that dog's lick up their own? Who questions such things? You only manage to demean your own intelligence by applying so much effort to such a whimsical cause. Apply your efforts, to better returns, elsewhere. It's hard to find peace, when you are the artificer of your own trouble; why be like my little cousin, who turns off the Nintendo, pulling out the cartridge! because no one is playing his game the way he wants them to?
Hans Roaming
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#492 - 2011-12-28 14:51:21 UTC
Awesome post by awesome poster.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#493 - 2011-12-30 20:46:28 UTC
Lugaedh wrote:
Hi there,

as i mine occasionally myself i do not love bots at all.

in fact, i helped to provide suiced gankers with ships and fitting to kill bots in high sec.

sadly, CCP has ceased hurting bots seemingly.

I do not mine ice in high sec - to low income.
I just mine some ore from time to time if i cannot play fully concentrated while doing some work.
Let me guess, you're one of those "good miners" who never bots himself, hates the botters, etc. and we should all applaud you for it?

I'm so bored of the "good miner." Every highsec system, and every highsec belt, has its "good miner." The one who, when he sees his fellow miners getting eradicated, vigorously agrees that all the other miners are scum, and is totally on board with destroying them, but insists that he is just a wonderful, first-class miner and nobody should kill him. Well, let me tell you, if we made an exception for every "good" miner, there wouldn't be any miners left to shoot at. Which sort of misses the whole point.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#494 - 2011-12-30 22:18:50 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Which sort of misses the whole point.


Which point is that?

1). You're better than everyone else
2). You're more 1337 than us poor hi-sec miners
3). You're way more intelligent than anyone that boards a mining vessel.
4). That we should just un-sub now and get it over with.

But the truth of the matter is, and its plain and simple to the rest of us, you need to get out more, and leave the "manifesto" to those who know what the hell the word actually means.

Manifesto my big hairy ass. More like a cry for help because someones real life is crumbling down around his ears and now he has to make himself feel better by posting a "manifesto".


Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Mechael
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#495 - 2011-12-31 00:56:14 UTC
Good post, if a little verbose, but it doesn't quite go far enough. See, AFK missioning, mining, PLEXing, et al are all part of the same problem and the location (high, low, null, wh) doesn't really make a lick of difference except in the false sense of security that CONCORD provides.

I can get behind mining, even highsec mining, I really can. Just not in its current form. If you're undocked you shouldn't be safe, and if I had my way stations themselves would be destructible too (making you unsafe even if you're logged off completely.) Oh, and highsec would be a whole lot smaller than it currently is.

In an ideal world, every single aspect of EVE would be considered PvP. Right now this holds true only from a very limited point of view (even if you're not directly flinging missiles at someone else, there's still market competition and roid depletion, although I admit the mission runners have it easiest as far as avoiding any human contact goes.) It should be the all-encompassing scope. Things are just too god damned broken right now on an economic level.

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
#496 - 2012-02-08 00:05:17 UTC
Heh,

Ild just like to add something to this forum post.
Since this posting james has gone from suicide ganking people, to now where he *gasp* bumps people away from the belt.
Actully, more often then not he misses, and the miner just keeps mining.
If anything, james has turned into a joke in arvasaras, he logs on, bots the same thing over and over "giev 1 mil or i bump", tries and fails to bump miners, gets upset, and parks his ship in the middle of nowhere and cloaks for an hour or two, all the while everyone in the system is laughing at him.
I highly recomend that if anyone wants to mine ore, feel free to visit arvasaras, as ironicly, james has actully made it safer to mine ore and ice then it was before.
I just recomend that if you do come mine, put james on ignore....he does get tiresome when he keeps saying the same things over and over.

Good luck to you all, and fly safe :)

Kharmha
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#497 - 2012-02-08 00:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
James 315 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Considering that many of the observations you have associated with miners apply equally to most isk making activities; easily (pseudo)botable, endlessly repeatable acts which can be used for purposeless/endless accumulation of isk, which pretty much encompasses all activities that spawn resources or direct isk as well (These arguments apply equally to just about all PvE and PI as well), why have you singled out mining? Or have I misunderstood the core of your reasoning?
This is another classic tactic of the highsec miner. They realize they have no counter-argument. They're guilty. Their only recourse is to create a distraction that prevents people from focusing on the highsec miner problem.

In other words, you're trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing to someone else's bad behavior.

If we followed your "reasoning" to its logical conclusion, we could never kill the highsec miners because first we would need to go attack the highsec missioners. And we could never kill them because we need to first eliminate the alleged botters in nullsec, and so on, and so on...

The rational thing is to focus on killing all of the highsec miners. After they're all gone, we can handle whatever problem is left. Until then, deal with it.

Of course there's good reason to believe highsec miners are the worst of the worst. They are natural botters, and as I proved in the Manifesto, they all want to be botters. The whole point of mining in highsec, as opposed to nullsec or even lowsec, is to be able to mine AFK. While it's theoretically possible that someone is running a bot in nullsec, if it were so practical, wouldn't all of the bots be in nullsec--where the most valuable ore/ice is located? But they're not. They're in highsec, where people get to be AFK and pretend they're invincible. And unlike people who run missions or incursions, no one enjoys mining. There's a reasonable argument to be made that no one should enjoy missions, but there are some who get a cheap thrill out of it like you would by stomping a Koopa Troopa. But no one enjoys mining. It's all about botting.

This thread isn't dead? But so long as the beast lives, let it be known I don't mine in the sense you mean. This isn't misdirection. This is just me wondering where your classification ends. I don't equip mining lasers, but I "mine" bounties, loot and salvage with cruise missiles. So really, what I'm asking I guess is where you draw the line. If you don't have an answer for that yet because you are still working on miners in highsec, so be it. But the answer isn't misdirection by claiming misdirection, it's that you don't have one or aren't willing to say.

Edit: Just a thought, In case you were under the impression I am attempting to debate the merits of PvE vs mining with you, i'm not. I see them as fundamentally similar but don't share your feelings. I'm not trying to debate or convince you of anything, just asking a question.
Shu Jia
Mineski Infinity
Royal Roader
#498 - 2012-02-08 01:55:55 UTC
ookkk
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#499 - 2012-02-08 02:06:48 UTC
I've never seen so many assumptions in one OP

The pie is a tautology

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#500 - 2012-02-08 02:12:48 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
I've never seen so many assumptions in one OP


EVE is not a Science.

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