Missions & Complexes

Update 30.05.2012
Important:
Patch Carnyx: Frequency of Burner Missions offered by level 4 Security agents has been lowered.
So all numbers are outdated and to high.
More information where to farm LvL 4

I actually didn't want to reveal these numbers before i did my "How to blitz LvL 4 guide" but i guess i will never finish it anyway.
Numbers are with a perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.

Average number of Burner missions were 7.6/h
(to clarify that does not mean you aren't doing normal mission in a 1h session, it just means it is the average amount of Burner missions you get with declining any bad normal missions. You can't force pure Burner missions)
All numbers were gained via over +20h gaming time and specifically aiming for Burner missions
With a conversion rate for LP at 2000

System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

System security = 0.520
ISK/h = 125.89m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 124,588
Wealth/h ~ 373m

System security = 0.723
ISK/h = 101.94m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 92,892
Wealth/h ~ 285m


Only these normal mission were accepted and blitzed all other declined every time:
Recon - Part 1 only (in system)
Dread Pirate Scarlet (at max 2jumps out, if not decline)
Assault – Serpentis (in system)
Assault – Guristas (in system)
Enemies Abound - Part 1 only (at max 2jumps out, if not decline)
Pot and Kettle - Part 1 only (at max 2jumps out, if not decline)

No, i don't have any faction or agent standing problems. My faction standing is at +9 my agent standing is roughly at 0.
Yes, i can do this forever without any problems.

Extra edit:
On avrg. a Burner mission is 2 jumps out, if it is more than 3 jumps you decline it (often you have 1 or 2 jumps out). With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min with maximal 3 jumps out.
Each Burner is 5m bounty + rewards + 10k to 14k LP depending on the system security.

At absolute max and being lucky you can do ~10 to 11 Burner Missions per hour, if you try to force it you will screw you agent standing in the long term, you have to accept some of the best normal missions. Being unlucky with a bad mission streak your agent standing might get down close to -2 but that rarely happens and it will be back on avrg. at 0 soon.

Machariel Fit as some requested

@Market McSelling Alt

On avrg. a Burner mission is 2 jumps out, if it is more than 3 jumps you decline it (often you have 1 or 2 jumps out). With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min with maximal 3 jumps out.
Each Burner is 5m bountys + rewards + 10k to 14k LP depending on the system security.

The difference in ISK/h is the system security, what else.

You are doing it wrong then and if you do it in Osmon (Osmon sec is 0.680) you are a fool. Try Lanngisi, Nakugard. I fixed the avrg. jumps on Burner missions.


The key is not to accept any Burner mission with more then 3 jumps out.

Burners are not constellation limited like other missions... I have seen them ask you to go 14 jumps away, and if there is a low sec close by they tend to send you there. But don't take my word for it, take the hundreds of mission runners declining low sec Burners every day.

Those are certainly not average figures for highsec. You are best casing mission running, especially with your quoted LP figures. Unless you consider a partly faction fit Paladin to be a below average speed mission boat, in which case, again you are biasing your figures assuming perfect (& worth ganking) bling boats.

With regards to Null Sec incursions, have you taken into account the increase to 15 pilots on VG fleets and the effect that has on completion time even allowing for lower value fits? As that seems low for good VG fleets and 15 pilots with T2 should be faster than 10 with faction fits.
Unless again you aren't assuming average fits but the officer fit ISN bling fleets as your case study.

If you can show me data that proves otherwise, I'll gladly update it. From my own testing with a 1bil isk Tengu, I was able to pull those numbers. That was also without rejecting missions. If you optimize it, you can make hundred(s) of millions of ISK per hour blitzing, or less than a hundred million an hour casually missioning.

Null incursions are not done consistently enough to provide solid incomes for groups without them having to fully deploy to different (hostile) regions. We have a squad that does incursions as frequently as they can. Sure, while incursions are nice when they're nearby, having to deploy regions away means that only smaller groups are able to consistently participate in less than optimal sites. With the amount of coordination that goes into nullsec incursions, there is better risk/effort to reward ratio simply living in a WH.

My original post are avrg. numbers, lets do some reverse math for Lanngisi:
System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

Burner Mission in Lanngisi:
~ 5m bounty + 6.5m reward ~11.5m
~ 14k LP reward

130m/11.5m = 11.30 Burner mission per hour.
130,000/14,000 = 9.28 Burner mission per hour.
Those numbers mean, i wasn't doing Burner missions exclusively and i actually did a lot Assault. That explains the surplus of ISK and deficit of LP.

Anyway the best way is test it for yourself if you don't believe my numbers. Key points are:
- Perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.
- Don't accept Burner mission which are more than +3jumps out
- Don't accept normal mission out of the pool i posted here which are more than +2jumps out and always blitz them if possible
- Make sure your agent standing is at avrg. 0. In case you start fresh or have a very bad streak you might have to accept more normal mission out of this pool for Minmatar and Amarr agents.
Pirate Invasion – Angel
Attack of the Drones – Drones
Mining Misappropriation – Sansha
Stop The Thief – Mercs
Gone Berserk – EOM

avoid this pool if you can:
Unauthorized Military – Angel
Blockade – Angel
Pirate Invasion – Sansha
Damsel in Distress – Mercs
XXX Spies – Angel
Right Hand of Zazzmatazz – Mercs
Rogue Slave Trader 1+2 – Sansha
Infiltrated Outposts – Drone

And decline all other missions.


This is a copy/paste from my sheet for different runs in Lanngisi:
LP/h ISKm/h
129,797 131
122,487 117
120,110 119
138,956 134
125,218 126
129,281 143
142,656 146

Avrg.:
129,786 130.77

I had a buddy who did that and swore by it. To me, it was WAY too much work.

A much better, cheaper and easier and almost as lucrative set up is 4 Navy Ravens, all tech2 cheap fit, all with rigor rigs and Auto-Targetting missiles. Each had a target painter for initial aggro only (ie the very 1st time you warp into a site, each ship TPs something to tell the missiles "these npcs are your target" and after that you don't have to use the tp again, though I would every once in a while on a frig).

Every pilot has +3 missile implants for damage, rof and speed and application. I'd stagger the launches as well to reduce (you cannot eliminate) time lost to over-kill (I would start the missiles on one ship, count to 2, start them on another ship etc till I was finished).

Since ccp fixed auto-target missiles to not hit structures, it's just this massive wall of rigored auto-target cruise missiles sweeping a site. If you had enough forsaken hubs or havens it's 400+ per hour and the set up costs is WAY less than smart bombing, though their is ammo cost and the pain of making or moving a lot of missiles to where you rat. I haven't done it in 6 months (I dual box rattlesnakes now, mainly because it's hard for me keeping 4 characters in ratting space) but a buddy of mine does and swears by it still.

And yea, it still sucks that it takes you 4 ships to do in null what a stealth bomber can do in FW under the right circumstances.

As a side note Reading this thread it's very clear that the divide is between the people who are actually good at PVE and the folks who, erm umh, are not so much and need to make excuses about why they can't do as well as others.

Good PVErs who take the time to learn how to get the most out of it while the poor ones spend all their time claiming "you can't do that, mainly because i can't do that so i know you can't do that" lol. Good PVErs also understand that their is always someone out their better than them.

Most times, the people claiming it can't be done haven't even tried.

That's putting it 'mildly'


You can't with a single toon. You can with an alt using the same "ping pong" method you'd use for lvl 5 missions (alt gets standings for every completed mission but doesn't take a hit when you decline, so you burn your main's standings, then start pulling missions with the alt, aka ping pong), but doing it with an alt means you have to take the alt into account for isk/hour calculations.

The best way is with an actual "real player" partner. Me and my buddy do this. He pulls his own missions and does his own missions and I do the same but we are in fleet so we are sharing rewards/standings. You can go indefinitely like this without tanking your standings as long as both of you are running at roughly the same rate. With a couple good drops (which are uncommon) I've made enough for a plex in a night using both methods.

But of course since McSelling alt can't do it what we are talking about must be impossible, right?