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All the theorycrafting surrounding interceptors of doom are pretty funny, and either a lot are trolling really hard or they lack the ability to understand other types of eve gameplay. Of course some players will exploit the system to grief others, after all this is EVE!

Structures, be it POS in Sov 1.x or TCU, I-HUB, Station, SBU's in Sov 2.x are frakking boring as hell. Even in a Nyx it was boring as hell after the first time. Being allowed to actually use my Nyx while in CFC was almost impossible unless to shoot at structures. The old sov mechanics only allowed for 1 type of gameplay and path to victory. Given how many of the established null power blocks who think the change is terrible is disturbing. Are they all so set in their ways that they cannot see nullsec from any other perspective? Its an honest and open question, are they really that blind to other ways than what it has been?

I do support the nullbloc proposal of viable npc nullsec in all regions but given how ridiculously empty most of null usually is there is room for so many more. A lot of smaller groups who have lived in null and would like to go back will now have a realistic possibility under these mechanics.

Ofc certain SIG's in CFC, and probably other similar entities in other coalitions, will use the mechanics to griefe. But in each instance there is a chance for combat, whereas todays mechanics pretty much makes sure there is just x minutes/hours of shooting a structure or nothing happening at all.

In this scenario you assume that a sniper would jump on there alone, nope it jumps there to bait those black ops -> 2 dead black ops -> 2 dead ceptors and a very dead cov ops cyno ship.
It's no rocket science now if that alliance actually has only one sniper BS in the system in prime time zone then they shouldn't be holding that space in the first place since they obviously lack the man power to do so.

But keep on with this ceptor thing and we eventually end up with a "cyno" or "siege" type solution which might not be a bad thing.
However from what I read actually reinforcing the thing does nothing, you have to come back later to to finish the job so likely they don't even bother with your ceptor until then.

Well said!

Anyone doing this as a small group understand from the start that you are going to have some large group come in and flip your sov because, well because they can. Of course a proper attack is not going to be easy to stop and you might have to let your sov go and then grab it back, which is all good as long as you go in light, its the IHUB which is the issue, I will come back to that.

The target system has perhaps an icebelt and a number of belts and is between -0.01 to -0.3, do not expect anything better, it is likely not to have a station in it and if it does then expect that to be defended.

The first thing you have to do is get your system, start off with interceptors and see if you can flip it, no response your good, if someone defends it then you have to start your campaign, this will be continuous attacks wearing them down, if it is a system held by one of the sprawling alliances its likely that you will wear them down. Unless CCP listens to those that want to make you fit these things in Titans and make them cost 20bn, being sarcastic there but what ho. The thing about the troll griefing attitude is that they want to make them expensive as hell so people do not try, like the SBU's are now. CCP your current pricing is fine. You commit to rf'ing the system which you do perhaps by using a marauder backed by a fleet, your call on doing that based on the tactical situation.

Next up comes the command node stage, this will require a fleet and effort, you could do so with allies and mercs. Once that is done you have your system.

TCU make sure you have a death star 50 km from the TCU, that is your first defence against Goons and their interceptor fleets, I would just sit there shooting interceptors giggling to myself, that will be fun as I have all my characters able to run POS guns. One comes in with a T2 Entosis link, just get an interceptor and a Munin and bang, dead interceptor, or perhaps a Tornado poking out of the shield. Done, so much for Interceptors. We all know what this is going to mean, the POS will be the defence point of the small entity.

Now if the Goons seriously want to waste interceptors and add green to my KB feel free I will laugh myself silly.

If someone comes for your system seriously then you will have to defend it, the key part is that even if you lose you can still keep at it, it might not mean much to them but this is your turf so you harass the hell out of them, then it becomes a question of willpower and assets, allies and mercs, all fun parts of Eve.

The IHUB, this is key and its CCP's call whether you have to put it next to another POS or the same one where the TCU is. This is a major question along with the IHUB itself, if you need a freighter to move an IHUB then your space is not going to be worth much and if you have it at a planet as it is now you will not be able to defend it easily. So for the truly small guy you wait until you have numbers to be able to defend it with a fleet. Question to CCP, are you going to keep the IHUB at its present size as well as the upgrades? And will it stay at the planet location only?

If CCP make the difference to the system based on use move to a max of -0.3 in truesec they will make it worth doing, think very carefully on that next part.

The TZ aspect is so important for vulnerability and CCP is right to do this, thought the idea of scaling with alliance size is a good one, or perhaps allowing different TZ's per constellation.

People talk about caps and no longer being useful, well simple, the POS is key, Dreads will have a role and by the fact of them being used will be something that means the other larger toys will get used.

There will be so many people that will come in and poke you with a stick, but your POS is the centre of your defence.

So when the Goons talk about interceptor fleets I was laughing hard at them because the TCU will be next to a POS, its their sprawling empire of unused systems that is undefended against interceptors not the small guy who really wants the system.

Check mate!!!

If you want to hear Mittens speak about Sov and breaking down the enemy with exhaustive threats of invasion, find a recording of his EVE Vegas 2012 presentation. Then relate that to how easy it is to present a credible threat with this Entosis laser. Then come back and read what Aryth, Alp Khan, Querns, Arrendis, and Gevlon have said in this thread.

I live in my space. I rat, mine, and conduct industry in my space. The CFC on the whole does. Really, look at the track records of the people posting in this thread and where they were on siphons, ESS, sentry drones, and other changes, and whether or not those changes played out closer to CCP's predictions, or those of the people who were actually playing the game and living out in the affected regions.

I know this is hard to believe, but not everyone wants the game skewed toward their own benefit. Some of us actually want the game to be... what's that word? Oh, right, fun.

coming from someone who's group was main reason jump fatigue was created.

you'd be crying a tear of hell if they nerfed hot dropping all together.

yeah I said it so what.. you gonna drop a nyx on my miner ship........again!

I support these changes +1.

Change is good...

How to make it seem like you listen to feedback:

Present a broken idea

Let players rabble

Do it the right way like you planned, and say it was due to feedback.

I'm inclined to agree. Purposely put it out there that it can be fit on trollceptors, and other terrible ideas, let people freak the **** out about it, and then 'wind it back' to the original idea which is still a massive change that people will hate, but they'll accept it more readily because you've already given them a truly bad idea they managed to 'change your mind on'.

Notably the CSM are absent in this, and quiet, not coming out and helping calm people privately or publicly on some of the worst aspects of this. Almost as if they know its going to be rolled back. Perhaps that's tin-foiling. Perhaps this is the new method of delivering big, harsh changes, not unlike aspects of phoebe.