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Dev Blog: Download-on-Demand Is Coming To Singularity!

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Gerart en Daire
HY-AE
#161 - 2015-03-01 15:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerart en Daire
Bezulian Askintosh wrote:

I am on test server now and i can tell you right now there is no difference what so ever between the speed you login with the old launcher and the Download on demand....and from what i understand DoD is suppose to give us a lot more speed logging in? so i hope this new share cache is not some new kind spyware to spy on our computers or something...´´SHARE CACHE´´ don´t know what thats all about people


It's supposed to speed up how quickly you get into the game when you do a completely fresh install, as you only need to download 300-500MB instead of 7GB. Nowhere was it said that the basic login (once you already have an install done on your computer) would speed up. Shared cache means that if you have multiple clients, including both Singularity/Duality/Tranquility clients, eventually they'll mostly *share* the resources that are identical between the versions (only downloading the test server-specific stuff, for example), instead of forcing you to have a separate >13GB install for each client you want to keep open. This was all explained in the 2 dev blogs on DoD, especially the first one from December.


Annexe wrote:
I tried out the new DoD for SISI client. Set a custom location as defined in the post http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/testing-eve-online-download-on-demand-your-first-steps/

SISI client went about extracting the resource cache to this location. However on starting TQ client, I get the same msg about running a pre-alpha version of the launcher, and a 7.44GB download starts.

I thought the DoD was only meant to affect the SISI launcher, and now i have to re-download eve all over again?
Did i miss something?

so while the eve repair tool was downloading the 7.44GB patch, i reopened the TQ launcher and it had a 75MB patch.. this quickly loaded and the game opened. So I canceled the repair tool download..

Now all my game settings are reset. UI, everything.

And now, i closed eve to copy my saved UI files back into the user local folder.. restarted client... 7.4GB patch..
Please someone help me restore the client. This is bullsh*t.

(removed some line changes to compact the post a bit)

Did you install Singularity in a copy of the Tranquility folder, or just directly in the Tranquility folder? You're being a bit unclear by what you mean with e.g. "client" (I understand this to mean only the actual game program once it starts up, you seem to be talking about the launcher instead, or maybe both).

You don't mention making a copy of the TQ folder to install/patch the Singularity client to, and if you didn't (big mistake!), you: 1. primed the cache, which got rid of your stuff files from the tranquility folders (unpacking them to the shared cache folder), 2. Started up the Tranquility, which noticed the stuff files were missing and started the 7GB download to get them again. 3. Somewhere between converting the client to Singularity, starting the 7GB download, patching TQ and canceling the repair tool download midway, your settings got nuked. For the record, I have to start Singularity in DoD mode, and need to use repair+exefile to get it started, and while my settings (at least graphics, UI positions) didn't carry over from TQ to Singularity through all that, my TQ launcher's and client's settings remain just fine.

The only other guess I can make (which seems to be the case from some other peoples' comments as well) is that the unpacking and/or DoD being enabled by default seems to be bugged for many people, so that either it doesn't unpack, or even if it does, it doesn't recognize that it has unpacked, and instead of starting in DoD mode, it starts a full download.

Regarding your TQ client's current status, check if the main/root folder of your TQ install still has the .stuff files. If it does, I dunno what's wrong or how you could fix it to avoid a redownload (if regular repair is trying to redownload). If it doesn't, you'll have to do the new 7GB download to get them back, or copy them from another computer. There almost certainly isn't a way around that. Good luck, hopefully copying the saved UI files back let you keep those at least.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#162 - 2015-03-01 16:52:26 UTC
Quick suggestion, can you make it so that it asks you where you want to place the cache _before_ it creates it? I keep my main eve install on my boot SSD since it's slightly faster than my program/game SSD, but it doesnt really have space for a 12gb cache. Of course it might just default to C:, but an option would still be appreciated
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#163 - 2015-03-01 17:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Jackson
Annexe wrote:
I tried out the new DoD for SISI client. Set a custom location as defined in the post

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/testing-eve-online-download-on-demand-your-first-steps/

SISI client went about extracting the resource cache to this location.

However on starting TQ client, I get the same msg about running a pre-alpha version of the launcher, and a 7.44GB download starts.


I thought the DoD was only meant to affect the SISI launcher, and now i have to re-download eve all over again?


Did i miss something?


so while the eve repair tool was downloading the 7.44GB patch, i reopened the TQ launcher and it had a 75MB patch.. this quickly loaded and the game opened. So I canceled the repair tool download..

Now all my game settings are reset. UI, everything.




And now, i closed eve to copy my saved UI files back into the user local folder.. restarted client... 7.4GB patch..

Please someone help me restore the client. This is bullsh*t.


if you used the installer u would have to change the registry to make eve see your tranquility folders as tranquility and change your shortcuts on your desktop and every shortcut in the start menu to your tranquility directory, don't forget to change the registry because if u dont then when you go to uninstall it in add/remove programs it will remove sisi but not tranquility :P

ccp needs to rename the test clients or something so they don't overwrite your tranquility installation as far as the shortcuts and registry are concerned in the process.

all your ui settings and overview are fine, nothing happened to them, its just your eve is looking for them in the wrong directory, its also something the registry change will fix, hopefully.

ccp should just give us the option save these personalized settings on the server >.> im not talking about just the overview but for everything, cause the passwords for all our chat channels gets wiped, chat channels are wiped as well so we have to reopen them, we have to resize all of our windows and everything, re do our fittings, its just a pain in the butt, something we shouldn't have to be bothered with


i thought of a way ccp can give us the test servers, give us the option as a zip folder, or source pulling, cause installers replace registry, we dont want that
Nolan Kotulan
Nova Tabula Rasa
#164 - 2015-03-01 18:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolan Kotulan
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Annexe wrote:
I tried out the new DoD for SISI client. Set a custom location as defined in the post

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/testing-eve-online-download-on-demand-your-first-steps/

SISI client went about extracting the resource cache to this location.

However on starting TQ client, I get the same msg about running a pre-alpha version of the launcher, and a 7.44GB download starts.


I thought the DoD was only meant to affect the SISI launcher, and now i have to re-download eve all over again?


Did i miss something?


so while the eve repair tool was downloading the 7.44GB patch, i reopened the TQ launcher and it had a 75MB patch.. this quickly loaded and the game opened. So I canceled the repair tool download..

Now all my game settings are reset. UI, everything.




And now, i closed eve to copy my saved UI files back into the user local folder.. restarted client... 7.4GB patch..

Please someone help me restore the client. This is bullsh*t.


if you used the installer u would have to change the registry to make eve see your tranquility folders as tranquility and change your shortcuts on your desktop and every shortcut in the start menu to your tranquility directory, don't forget to change the registry because if u dont then when you go to uninstall it in add/remove programs it will remove sisi but not tranquility :P

ccp needs to rename the test clients or something so they don't overwrite your tranquility installation as far as the shortcuts and registry are concerned in the process.

all your ui settings and overview are fine, nothing happened to them, its just your eve is looking for them in the wrong directory, its also something the registry change will fix, hopefully.

ccp should just give us the option save these personalized settings on the server >.> im not talking about just the overview but for everything, cause the passwords for all our chat channels gets wiped, chat channels are wiped as well so we have to reopen them, we have to resize all of our windows and everything, re do our fittings, its just a pain in the butt, something we shouldn't have to be bothered with


i thought of a way ccp can give us the test servers, give us the option as a zip folder, or source pulling, cause installers replace registry, we dont want that


If you follow the procedure correctly (starting with creating a folder copy), nothing get overwritten at any moment.
You have to create a manual copy of TQ's folder and make the new folder Sisi's one.
So, if done correctly, TQ's installation is never altered, not even in registry.

As for the settings, they can be copy-pasted between clients (in AppData\Local\CCP\EVE).

You don't have to "re do" anything, except in some rare cases when older settings aren't compatibles with new ones.

Per aspera ad astra

Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#165 - 2015-03-01 18:45:07 UTC
Nolan Kotulan wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Annexe wrote:
I tried out the new DoD for SISI client. Set a custom location as defined in the post

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/testing-eve-online-download-on-demand-your-first-steps/

SISI client went about extracting the resource cache to this location.

However on starting TQ client, I get the same msg about running a pre-alpha version of the launcher, and a 7.44GB download starts.


I thought the DoD was only meant to affect the SISI launcher, and now i have to re-download eve all over again?


Did i miss something?


so while the eve repair tool was downloading the 7.44GB patch, i reopened the TQ launcher and it had a 75MB patch.. this quickly loaded and the game opened. So I canceled the repair tool download..

Now all my game settings are reset. UI, everything.




And now, i closed eve to copy my saved UI files back into the user local folder.. restarted client... 7.4GB patch..

Please someone help me restore the client. This is bullsh*t.


if you used the installer u would have to change the registry to make eve see your tranquility folders as tranquility and change your shortcuts on your desktop and every shortcut in the start menu to your tranquility directory, don't forget to change the registry because if u dont then when you go to uninstall it in add/remove programs it will remove sisi but not tranquility :P

ccp needs to rename the test clients or something so they don't overwrite your tranquility installation as far as the shortcuts and registry are concerned in the process.

all your ui settings and overview are fine, nothing happened to them, its just your eve is looking for them in the wrong directory, its also something the registry change will fix, hopefully.

ccp should just give us the option save these personalized settings on the server >.> im not talking about just the overview but for everything, cause the passwords for all our chat channels gets wiped, chat channels are wiped as well so we have to reopen them, we have to resize all of our windows and everything, re do our fittings, its just a pain in the butt, something we shouldn't have to be bothered with


i thought of a way ccp can give us the test servers, give us the option as a zip folder, or source pulling, cause installers replace registry, we dont want that


If you follow the procedure correctly (starting with creating a folder copy), nothing get overwritten at any moment.
You have to create a manual copy of TQ's folder and make the new folder Sisi's one.
So, if done correctly, TQ's installation is never altered, not even in registry.

As for the settings, they can be copy-pasted between clients (in AppData\Local\CCP\EVE).

You don't have to "re do" anything, except in some rare cases when older settings aren't compatibles with new ones.

you do when you use the test server exe installers :P
Nolan Kotulan
Nova Tabula Rasa
#166 - 2015-03-01 18:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolan Kotulan
Daniel Jackson wrote:

you do when you use the test server exe installers :P

Just found this...

So, looks like you're right.
Didn't even know there were installers for test servers...
I thought manual installation was the only way to do it, this is why I said what I said above... ^^

Per aspera ad astra

Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#167 - 2015-03-01 18:57:48 UTC
Nolan Kotulan wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:

you do when you use the test server exe installers :P

Just found this...

So, looks like you're right.
Didn't even know there were installers for test servers...
I thought manual installation was the only way to do it, this is why I said what I said above... ^^

yes they are very deadly and need to be changed, so only use them on a different computer where u don't have tq installed on lol
Gerart en Daire
HY-AE
#168 - 2015-03-01 20:34:57 UTC
Destoya wrote:
Quick suggestion, can you make it so that it asks you where you want to place the cache _before_ it creates it? I keep my main eve install on my boot SSD since it's slightly faster than my program/game SSD, but it doesnt really have space for a 12gb cache. Of course it might just default to C:, but an option would still be appreciated


AFAIK this might be the plan eventually, the current version just doesn't do it yet.
Vir Allier
Doomheim
#169 - 2015-03-01 23:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vir Allier
It was my mistake here:
Vir Allier wrote:
can't fix this - all ships in market blurred
Also no audio at all

All stuff are working as intended now for me. On-demand resources have been dowloaded quickly, so no any glitch or hanging or black screen (no in fleet just solo environment) observed
Wilm0rien
Omni Defense Intelligence Network
Brave Collective
#170 - 2015-03-01 23:48:24 UTC
So here is what I experienced today:

  • started test client. got a "Downloading Eve Launcher Update" Message followed by a restart message.
  • the launcher did not restart. instead it just exited.
  • When starting it again manually a "Your're running a pre-release..." message appeared.
  • I hit ok, the launcher did something. After a while a "low disc space" warning flashed and the launcher crashed
  • C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\SharedCache was filled up with data despite the fact that the disk space was not sufficient.


Suggestions (Win32 client)


  • automatically pick the drive where the launcher executable is placed
  • add a check routine if there is enough space on this standard path
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#171 - 2015-03-02 00:54:10 UTC
My hat's off to all you brave souls. I'm not touching this one until I have to.
Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
#172 - 2015-03-02 06:41:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Crazy KSK
if I was a new player with the 700kb/s down I currently have I would be freaked the cat out logging in to no station background and undocking to floating lights where the station is supposed to be haha
there should probably be a minimum dl speed before it auto enables DoD

Quote CCP Fozzie: ... The days of balance and forget are over.

Drizzd
Opera Gomera Liquidate 03
#173 - 2015-03-02 08:34:03 UTC
Gerart en Daire wrote:

and offtopic, but what the heck:
Drizzd wrote:

...
Oh - and another small issue while I am at it:

new opportunities looks good so far - but If it calls you to fight a NPC target - please spawn some .. its really difficult to find one in 1.0 and 0.9 career-agent systems without jumping a good distance away.....

So they didn't deploy the new landmark sites, showcased in the same dev blog as opportunities, yet? Or you just didn't check them out? Each starter system should have one, apparently, if they've been added. If you had read the dev blog in question, you should know that when opportunities go live, the plan is to have new players start in space at a site with some veldspar and a few rats, so they get to try out the opportunities stuff immediately. If older players need to spend a few minute or three to find an NPC to target etc, that's a really minor problem. And anyway, what's stopping you from doing a couple of missions of the military career tutorials to get to one with NPC targets to fight, I haven't read anything about the career tutorial missions being removed?


Hm - my char was already docked - and had some ships- as I had finished one run of all career agents in Couster and the sisters of eve epic arc.
So apparently I didn't see the "landmark" you wrote about, but I must admit, that I overread that part in the opportunities dev-blog. Maybe opportunities should provide a way to find that landmark - like agent missions present a short list of targets and final destination on the left side of the eve-client below the autopilot route.

But you are right, its off-topic for the download on demand test.
Drizzd
Opera Gomera Liquidate 03
#174 - 2015-03-02 08:37:39 UTC
Wilm0rien wrote:
So here is what I experienced today:

  • started test client. got a "Downloading Eve Launcher Update" Message followed by a restart message.
  • the launcher did not restart. instead it just exited.
  • When starting it again manually a "Your're running a pre-release..." message appeared.
  • I hit ok, the launcher did something. After a while a "low disc space" warning flashed and the launcher crashed
  • C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\SharedCache was filled up with data despite the fact that the disk space was not sufficient.


Suggestions (Win32 client)


  • automatically pick the drive where the launcher executable is placed
  • add a check routine if there is enough space on this standard path



I gave you my suggestion in a previous post - use your ntfs' options to "move" the EVE folder to another drive and connect it with a file-system junction to C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE

This junction works like a logical link you might know from unix like systems - And since my main harddisk is a small SSD, I use them all the time without any problems.

Ke'Daar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2015-03-02 11:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ke'Daar
CCP Logibro wrote:
Download-on-Demand is coming to Singularity! If you like to visit our Test Servers, you should take a read of the new dev blog from CCP Maxwell going over some of the changes and a couple of things you need to be aware of.


So I had a perfectly working Singularity installation on my MacBook Pro (OSX 10.10.2), and of course the launcher updated when I ran /Applications/EVE\ Online\ Singularity.app --args /server:87.237.38.50.

Then a warning about a pre-release launcher, a small patch and a request to prime my cache. With all that done, I clicked Play as usual to launch the client for Singularity and.... nothing, but after a while this message popped up: http://imgur.com/3437hrQ

"TransGaming C Runtime Library ERROR-> buffer overrun!"

What gives CCP Logibro?

Edit: I re-created my entire Singularity folder and started all over. When the time came after upgrading the launcher, I selected "NO", as per the dev blog instructions, to the question if I want to prime my cache.

The client proceeded to display a % based progress of a cache download.. Now here is the buggy /strange thing:

It got to 340/540MB in the download and the % number reached 100% already?

I then checked my incoming traffic for the launcher with a network analyzer app I have and I saw that the launcher was merrily downloading data for quite some time before it eventually stated "client ready"

Now however my Singularity Client periodically crashes in game randomly

Error Message: http://imgur.com/ZLX3D40
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#176 - 2015-03-02 13:34:56 UTC
Repair .exe is re downloading the entire client when run. It finds errors with every file and begins a 7 gig download.

Also the launcher keeps thinking it's the wrong version.

Yaay!!!!

Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#177 - 2015-03-02 23:54:14 UTC
same here launcher.exe crash and repair.exe with /server:Singularity wants 7GB patch to download -,- /
removed cache files
formatted hard disk and copied TQ copy there and started patching up when it started download launcher update it closed, at end , then i start it again to get CTD error . log shows that i havr pre-release launcher.

what im doing wrong? cant even start sisi launcher . it crash from start
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#178 - 2015-03-03 11:06:02 UTC
I accidently clicked "Prime your chache" today since I forgot about the download-on-demand thing. Then the launcher crashed while downloading.

When restarting, I selected "no" this time because I don't want to use download-on-demand, but the launcher ignored my input and still tried to download to the ressource cache on my C-drive. Is my installation now ****** or is there a way to stop the launcher from misappropriating my HDD?
Gerart en Daire
HY-AE
#179 - 2015-03-03 21:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerart en Daire
Owen Levanth wrote:
I accidently clicked "Prime your chache" today since I forgot about the download-on-demand thing. Then the launcher crashed while downloading.

When restarting, I selected "no" this time because I don't want to use download-on-demand, but the launcher ignored my input and still tried to download to the ressource cache on my C-drive. Is my installation now ****** or is there a way to stop the launcher from misappropriating my HDD?


If you clicked "Yes" to "Prime your cache" it shouldn't download, but unpack the .stuffs (many other people have reported that it starts downloading anyway though). If you click no to the priming question, you're effectively telling it to download the resource cache using DoD,. There's no way NOT to have a resource cache, either by unpacking or by DoDing it, with the current Singularity version, afaik. However, it *should* download in the background without you even noticing much (except some graphics missing occasionally at first), so if it's trying to download the full 7GB and showing the progress bar for that after you clicking "No", that's a bug.


And applying equally both to the above and to this quote:
Wilm0rien wrote:
So here is what I experienced today:
  • started test client. got a "Downloading Eve Launcher Update" Message followed by a restart message.
  • the launcher did not restart. instead it just exited.
  • When starting it again manually a "Your're running a pre-release..." message appeared.
  • I hit ok, the launcher did something. After a while a "low disc space" warning flashed and the launcher crashed
  • C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\SharedCache was filled up with data despite the fact that the disk space was not sufficient.


Suggestions (Win32 client)
  • automatically pick the drive where the launcher executable is placed
  • add a check routine if there is enough space on this standard path


If your launcher is actually running ok-ish and you can go to the launcher settings, on Windows (not possible on a Mac) it should be *really* easy to move the shared cache location to another drive, instructions have been out for a while at https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/testing-eve-online-download-on-demand-your-first-steps/
Gerart en Daire
HY-AE
#180 - 2015-03-03 21:26:41 UTC
Drizzd wrote:

I gave you my suggestion in a previous post - use your ntfs' options to "move" the EVE folder to another drive and connect it with a file-system junction to C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE

This junction works like a logical link you might know from unix like systems - And since my main harddisk is a small SSD, I use them all the time without any problems.


I've used symbolic links/junctions to get around fixed install locations before (getting some game settings to sync to dropbox so they'd be the same across multiple machines, for example), but it's been a while and I thought they actually did make the system think that the space was taken at both locations (the link and the actual location)... seems I may have been wrong though, so I think I'll be trying a junction from C:\ProgramData\CCP\... to a folder on D: then, since my main problem is the launcher not working/allowing me to adjust any settings/cache forces itself on C: which doesn't have enough space.


In other news, since it's already 2 days from the weekend, it might be nice to get some dev responses in here again. Granted, several peoples' issues/questions would have been answered by reading the dev blogs/this thread better, but still.