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CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#61 - 2015-02-17 16:10:04 UTC
Criss Amarr wrote:
Hi I'm stuck at 2.5% 3/3 Applying patch.
I redownloaded this patch 5 times.

http://imgur.com/ABrEyXa


Try this suggestion from CCP Habakuk
For those with launcher problems:
You might want to try to download the latest launcher version - just to be sure that everything is clean: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/release/EVEOnlineLauncher_2_2_859950.exe

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters
Raphendyr Nardieu
Avanto
Hole Control
#62 - 2015-02-17 16:11:35 UTC
Criss Amarr wrote:
http://imgur.com/ABrEyXa


Nice CCP, you are using python. I like you bit more :


As for you,, it seems you don't have permission to that file? Running installer as admin? have all eve files closed? (windows uses read locks).

related: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18541458/python-windowserror-5-access-denied
John WarpingSlow
#63 - 2015-02-17 16:12:27 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
Kalissa wrote:
Corporation bookmarks don't seem to be showing in space anymore.
I can't reproduce this issue myself.


Try putting 900+ bookmarks in a folder and reproducing with that. ( I experience this issue fairly often with a personal folder I have that has that many location bookmarks in it. )
John WarpingSlow
#64 - 2015-02-17 16:14:11 UTC
Possible minor issue:

The wallet balance no longer seems to display tenths or hundredths of an isk only the whole-number portion?

Intentional change?
DEFANDER
CSV - Like in politics - rules apply differently
#65 - 2015-02-17 16:15:59 UTC
DEFANDER wrote:
Hello,

Ok, so:

1. First time i started the launcher - aka 10 min ago, it did not patch and just threw me in the game.
Logged in to the character and ALL my setting got reset.
Everything.

2. Now i started the client again - and it's patching [(2/3): CREATING EVE_ONLINE_861477-862956_WIN.PATCH: 13.5% - DOWNLOADING 155.92 MB / 1.12 GB ].

Will the settings still be reset after this patch concludes ?



The game finished patching, all good so far. All settings are here.
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#66 - 2015-02-17 16:17:48 UTC
Quote:
Don't these "ongoing conversations" seem to suggest, in and of themselves, that more options control for graphical features ought to exist? What's to gain from not introducing options like these? There's some 90+ page thread about disabling the no-longer-quite-so-new jump graphics/animation...people STILL post there.

Options, CCP. Please provide options.

^What he said.

Quote:
Absolutely they do. Unfortunately it's never as simple as wanting to do something about it. We have other teams' requirements, engine health and modernization, new assets and renovation of old assets to name but a few of the things that we have to consider when taking on work.

I'm not a programer myself, but is it so difficult and time consuming, to add a check/uncheck box in the settings for controversial graphical effects?
Like you said, it's all personal opinion. So please give us some options to make the graphics look like WE like it.

Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
Okee Fenokee
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
#67 - 2015-02-17 16:28:51 UTC
John WarpingSlow wrote:
The wallet balance no longer seems to display tenths or hundredths of an isk only the whole-number portion?

Tiamat seems to have disabled the wallet journal option "Show ISK Cents in Amounts".
CCP Sledgehammer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#68 - 2015-02-17 16:28:53 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
Quote:
Don't these "ongoing conversations" seem to suggest, in and of themselves, that more options control for graphical features ought to exist? What's to gain from not introducing options like these? There's some 90+ page thread about disabling the no-longer-quite-so-new jump graphics/animation...people STILL post there.

Options, CCP. Please provide options.

^What he said.

Quote:
Absolutely they do. Unfortunately it's never as simple as wanting to do something about it. We have other teams' requirements, engine health and modernization, new assets and renovation of old assets to name but a few of the things that we have to consider when taking on work.

I'm not a programer myself, but is it so difficult and time consuming, to add a check/uncheck box in the settings for controversial graphical effects?
Like you said, it's all personal opinion. So please give us some options to make the graphics look like WE like it.


We don't want to keep piling more and more checkboxes into the menu, we are looking at completely redesigning the whole thing.

Graphical QA Analyst | EVE Quality Assurance | Team TriLambda
Wadiest Yong
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#69 - 2015-02-17 16:29:24 UTC
Leroy Andrepont wrote:
Am I the only one experiencing rat sounds lingering even after they've been destroyed?


No sir, reported this as a bug (#33192) on the test server yesterday. It now has status "Attached".

Temp fix is unchecking the audio button in the esc window and re-checking it, although the next time you hit belt rats the sounds will be persistent again through jumping and docking. Another thing I noticed is that the sounds behave normally during some missions (e.g. with rogue drones).
CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#70 - 2015-02-17 16:31:41 UTC
Okee Fenokee wrote:
John WarpingSlow wrote:
The wallet balance no longer seems to display tenths or hundredths of an isk only the whole-number portion?

Tiamat seems to have disabled the wallet journal option "Show ISK Cents in Amounts".


You can re-enable this through the cog icon on the Wallet.

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters
Okee Fenokee
Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure
#71 - 2015-02-17 16:35:10 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:
You can re-enable this through the cog icon on the Wallet.

Yup. That's why I knew exactly how the option is called. Blink
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2015-02-17 16:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Darwin
Damjan Fox wrote:

I'm not a programer myself, but is it so difficult and time consuming, to add a check/uncheck box in the settings for controversial graphical effects?


It's not that simple.

Adding a new checkbox requires:

1) Changes, possibly complicated in a particular case, to enable/disable the feature.

2) Planning software engineer time to modify the UI. (Note that even if it's a relatively simple task, simple tasks still require that the engineer mentally "switch gears," plus there's UI design time to figure out where to place the control.)

3) Localization to multiple languages and subsequent QA validation for the localization.

4) QA testing of functionality.

5) Time and attention to tracking the feature, time involved in integrating the related changes into the release branch.

Finally, there are general UI design concerns about mixing performance-related graphics controls with those that are solely to address personal preference, issues with total availability of UI real estate, and making a complicated window more complicated.

To make it into a release, a particular feature or change requires being prioritized against all other possible ways to spend our time, because the list of things we'd like to do in the future is enormously longer than what we can do in any release.

Player feedback matters, but it's neither possible to please everyone, nor is it possible to make all the changes every player requests on the forums.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#73 - 2015-02-17 16:40:17 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:

You can re-enable this through the cog icon on the Wallet.

What was the reason in automatically disabling it for everyone?

New Icon SiSi feedback thread that got wholly ignored!

An example of that a good ship icon set looks like.
John WarpingSlow
#74 - 2015-02-17 16:41:19 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:
Okee Fenokee wrote:
John WarpingSlow wrote:
The wallet balance no longer seems to display tenths or hundredths of an isk only the whole-number portion?

Tiamat seems to have disabled the wallet journal option "Show ISK Cents in Amounts".


You can re-enable this through the cog icon on the Wallet.


(Didn't even realize there WAS a cog icon on that window... until now.)

Thank you, that did the trick!
CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#75 - 2015-02-17 16:45:51 UTC
John WarpingSlow wrote:
CCP Claymore wrote:
Okee Fenokee wrote:
John WarpingSlow wrote:
The wallet balance no longer seems to display tenths or hundredths of an isk only the whole-number portion?

Tiamat seems to have disabled the wallet journal option "Show ISK Cents in Amounts".


You can re-enable this through the cog icon on the Wallet.


(Didn't even realize there WAS a cog icon on that window... until now.)

Thank you, that did the trick!


There was not, till today. P

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters
Marni Blade
GFORCE Enterprises
#76 - 2015-02-17 16:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Marni Blade
Looking forward to flying the new battleship ship. Looks very cool and looking forward to running into the new species too. Shocked
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#77 - 2015-02-17 16:48:19 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Lebowski
CCP Darwin wrote:
Damjan Fox wrote:

I'm not a programer myself, but is it so difficult and time consuming, to add a check/uncheck box in the settings for controversial graphical effects?


It's not that simple.

Adding a new checkbox requires:

1) Changes, possibly complicated in a particular case, to enable/disable the feature.

2) Planning software engineer time to modify the UI. (Note that even if it's a relatively simple task, simple tasks still require that the engineer mentally "switch gears," plus there's UI design time to figure out where to place the control.)

3) Localization to multiple languages and subsequent QA validation for the localization.

4) QA testing of functionality.

5) Time and attention to tracking the feature, time involved in integrating the related changes into the release branch.

Finally, there are general UI design concerns about mixing performance-related graphics controls with those that are solely to address personal preference, issues with total availability of UI real estate, and making a complicated window more complicated.

To make it into a release, a particular feature or change requires being prioritized against all other possible ways to spend our time, because the list of things we'd like to do in the future is enormously longer than what we can do in any release.

Player feedback matters, but it's neither possible to please everyone, nor is it possible to make all the changes every player requests on the forums.
If I could add something else from a QA perspective, optional features often mean overall testing time increases as future changes need to be checked against clients with various possible combinations of enabled/disabled features.

A good example of this is UI scaling. While its a really useful feature, once it was implemented it meant that new features and changes to existing features had to be tested against each scaling option every time.

I'm not trying to make excuses, just explaining some of the considerations we have to make and providing some food for thought I hope.

CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0

@CCP_Lebowski

Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#78 - 2015-02-17 16:52:24 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
issues with total availability of UI real estate, and making a complicated window more complicated.

But isn't that what CCP have been doing to the screen real estate in every other aspect? WIthout regard to how much more complicated it makes it for us to maintain the same level of functionality we had prior.

CCP Darwin wrote:
To make it into a release, a particular feature or change requires being prioritized against all other possible ways to spend our time, because the list of things we'd like to do in the future is enormously longer than what we can do in any release.

So this again begs the question...how does this fit into the rapid release cadence, if you seem to be basing what you work on by what you can fit into a release? Wasn't the guise of these new schedule to be able to delay parts that weren't ready yet?

Also, isn't the best time to work on a feature to add something...while you are already working on said feature? Or is it somehow more efficient to come back two years later and revisit a feature that now nobody has any idea how to work on and has to refresh on how it was done in the first place?

New Icon SiSi feedback thread that got wholly ignored!

An example of that a good ship icon set looks like.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#79 - 2015-02-17 16:54:33 UTC
In the Notification Settings > Category Suscriptions.

The top one reads: > [no label: Notifications/groupOpportunities]

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Saturday Beerun
Lost Ark Enterprises
#80 - 2015-02-17 17:13:32 UTC
CCP Sledgehammer wrote:
Damjan Fox wrote:
Quote:
Don't these "ongoing conversations" seem to suggest, in and of themselves, that more options control for graphical features ought to exist? What's to gain from not introducing options like these? There's some 90+ page thread about disabling the no-longer-quite-so-new jump graphics/animation...people STILL post there.

Options, CCP. Please provide options.

^What he said.

Quote:
Absolutely they do. Unfortunately it's never as simple as wanting to do something about it. We have other teams' requirements, engine health and modernization, new assets and renovation of old assets to name but a few of the things that we have to consider when taking on work.

I'm not a programer myself, but is it so difficult and time consuming, to add a check/uncheck box in the settings for controversial graphical effects?
Like you said, it's all personal opinion. So please give us some options to make the graphics look like WE like it.


We don't want to keep piling more and more checkboxes into the menu, we are looking at completely redesigning the whole thing.

You managed to have on /off for the crap asteroid belt graphics.We have a choice between old map/new map.You may not want check boxes,but many players do.Redesigning the UI again..... wow.Nothing is impressing me right now.

I Want The Black Vindicator Back