Warfare & Tactics

I'm not disputing that, but it remains true that a normal Thorax still hits them better.

Anyway, this is sidelining the topic, apparently even being able to deal with frigates doesn't make battleships a common choice for PVP.

EvE is all about choices. Every time you fit a ship, you have to make choices. Brawl or kite? Buffer or active tank? Better tracking or better DPS?

I think that battleships are in somewhat a unique place because they force harder choices on pilots than other subcap combat ship classes do. The pilots who are willing to make the hard choices, and fly their ships accordingly, use their battleships to marvelous effect. Those who don't, and simply fit battleships like over-sized cruisers with bigger buffers and larger weapons, find them rather terrible.

Something else that I haven't seen brought up is the remote-rep battleship gang. Are they really not a thing anymore, or do their practitioners just choose to remain quiet about their incredible utility?

To be honest both would do as well as the other. Flying both ships in a way to reduce transversal would also make a huge difference. For solo work the hype is much better suited thanks to its utility highs, mid slots and tank bonus. A double web mega however will just smack you silly.

I'm one of those snowflakes that will quite happily go without a cap booster and lets face it its not exactly one of my more outlandish fits.

I used a dual web hyp for about two weeks straight earlier this month. Does well when fit with a heavy neut. When frigates get in close just neut, web, burn away and blap. The neut will shut down a frigate MWD and scram in one cycle and the combination of burning away and webs will let you blap them. Even single webs are OK, but the dual webs knock their velocity down a lot faster.

Kiting isn't a big problem as you don't really have to slingshot into point range, just neut range to start putting pressure on cruisers. The only things that are kind of a pita are orthruses, but you can always fit a MJD instead of two webs.

That said, most t1 battleship hulls are pretty meh without links/drugs/implants. If you've got the isk to spend and you want to see what battleship hulls are capable of, you should try faction and pirate hulls. The TFI, navy mega, navy geddon, barghest (contrary to what a lot of people say, this thing with RLMLs is pizzaboard insanity) and mach are astonishingly powerful if you're willing to spend some isk and time. Once you alleviate them from the drawbacks they suffer by putting yourself into a position where they don't matter or can be mitigated, you can tease out their full potential.

Some T1 hulls do still need a little work, and you're not getting large blasters to track like medium electrons, but you can make them fun, even if it isn't the optimal experience.

Edit: This was kinda to the guy asking about hypes, and kind of to the OP. Should have clarified a little better.

Off the top of my head med electrons are .144 tracking, I have a mega with .185 blasters using antimatter.

Don't forget the 125m vs 400m signature resolution difference. To really track like medium guns on a Mega, you'd need over double the actual tracking value.

But still, .185 blasters on a Mega is nothing to sneeze at.

I understand how you can maneuver in a battleship to reduce transversal to land better hits. And in a Mega, with a webbed target, you can do this pretty easily.

I also understand that even if you aren't applying full damage in your Mega, the higher base damage offsets the lower application.

All I'm saying is that you can't really go around saying that your Mega tracks like a medium electron blaster until it hits 0.4608 tracking.

EDIT: Bah, typo.

I always thought that Battleships were crossfire platforms. Meaning that if a frigate gets under your guns your buddy will take him out and vice verse. As well as ships that engage at larger ranges.

I think that's a solid fit, though I would definately drop the m4 repper for a t2.
This is the fit I was using:

[Hyperion, Fast mover]
Damage Control II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Ogre II x5
Light drones to taste, drop one web a plink in a MJD if you need it, I carry both in the cargo with a depot. The MJD is one of my favorite things about flying a battleship. Make sure to bring exile and drop, because they help a lot- and train your drug skills!

Another Way is to simply go brute power for solo work. You'll find with the fit posted above that you'll want lots of tacs and the ability to separate your oppenents is important. The following fit is just meant to tank the **** out of stuff.

[Hyperion, High Resist Dual Rep]
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Electron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Electron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I

No boosts, no heat you can tank 1436 dps and with boosts, drugs and heat, just to give you an idea of how much punishment it's capable of withstanding you can eat a whopping 4222 dps. You've got to be careful, as no DCU II means no bait tanking, but the extra resists and even resistance profile are very helpful. You could easily switch one repper for an ancillary and do well. Between the drones and guns you still do respectable (c. 800) dps, but you really need to watch your heavies, as they account for nearly half of your total damage.