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War on Gankers

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Barik Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#601 - 2015-01-15 19:22:43 UTC
Bumping is the problem and has been for a while.Those that argue it isnt obviously are on the giving end or just typing to see themselves on the forums.Currently it does not matter if you are afk or staring at your screen if the bumper picks you and you dont have people willing to put forth the effort then your freighter is gone 95% of the time.Bumping the bumper isnt very practical even with a skilled bumper.Webbing is in the 5% that it might work and thats if the bumper is a slacker.

Your best chance is to have proactive people willing to communicate and spot the bumper.Once the bumper is spotted you then stick to him like glue.If bumper jumps to safe then you watch all system gates for him to appear again.As an example there is one guy who i will not name(he would love that)that does most of the bumping for them.Once i spotted him i stayed on him like white on rice.Every time he stayed on gate i orbited him at 500 in a smart bomb thrasher.Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.


That night were were many of us being proactive as code blew up the local with their usual ramblings.There were others with logis that saved a couple more freighters as well.Eventually Loyalanon logged off and the fleet(goons included)disbanded and werent heard from again that night.This isnt me bragging I am by no means a bad arse or elite in any way, shape or form i simply pointing out that you can make a difference with communication and thinking outside of the box by yourself.
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
Tactical Narcotics Team
#602 - 2015-01-15 19:30:51 UTC
Barik Tal wrote:
Bumping is the problem and has been for a while.Those that argue it isnt obviously are on the giving end or just typing to see themselves on the forums.Currently it does not matter if you are afk or staring at your screen if the bumper picks you and you dont have people willing to put forth the effort then your freighter is gone 95% of the time.Bumping the bumper isnt very practical even with a skilled bumper.Webbing is in the 5% that it might work and thats if the bumper is a slacker.

Your best chance is to have proactive people willing to communicate and spot the bumper.Once the bumper is spotted you then stick to him like glue.If bumper jumps to safe then you watch all system gates for him to appear again.As an example there is one guy who i will not name(he would love that)that does most of the bumping for them.Once i spotted him i stayed on him like white on rice.Every time he stayed on gate i orbited him at 500 in a smart bomb thrasher.Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.


That night were were many of us being proactive as code blew up the local with their usual ramblings.There were others with logis that saved a couple more freighters as well.Eventually Loyalanon logged off and the fleet(goons included)disbanded and werent heard from again that night.This isnt me bragging I am by no means a bad arse or elite in any way, shape or form i simply pointing out that you can make a difference with communication and thinking outside of the box by yourself.


Oh, so in other words, freighter pilots need to put more effort in and bring more people, in order to help him survive ganks. Kinda like how the gankers need to put more effort in and bring more people, in order to help them kill a freighter.

Sounds fair to me. So whats the problem, here? Not many people care about a bumper who bumps a freighter and doesnt gank, after all.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#603 - 2015-01-15 19:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Barik Tal wrote:
Currently it does not matter if you are afk or staring at your screen if the bumper picks you and you dont have people willing to put forth the effort then your freighter is gone 95% of the time.Bumping the bumper isnt very practical even with a skilled bumper.Webbing is in the 5% that it might work and thats if the bumper is a slacker.


Eve is a MMO. You SHOULD have friends (or hell an alt).

FFS, the last "escorted" run I needed to make was simply "Hey corpies, I need to move this freighter with 900m worth of YOUR STUFF thru Hek. I'm waiting in [whatever neighbouring system] ... I'll wait 15 minutes for you to get there, else I'm risking it. Oh, and if I pop, neither I nor the corp is reimbursing you."

I had 4 guardians, a daredevil, and 2 falcons show up. This was on top of my existing scout/webber.

Barik Tal wrote:
Your best chance is to have proactive people willing to communicate and spot the bumper.Once the bumper is spotted you then stick to him like glue.If bumper jumps to safe then you watch all system gates for him to appear again.As an example there is one guy who i will not name(he would love that)that does most of the bumping for them.Once i spotted him i stayed on him like white on rice.Every time he stayed on gate i orbited him at 500 in a smart bomb thrasher.Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.


Seems having friends, as in my situation above, would've worked better (because that freighter still died). Now, if you webbed/pointed the mach so he couldn't bump well (if at all), maybe the freighter would've gotten away.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#604 - 2015-01-15 20:48:50 UTC
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.
Toriessian
Moscato Mania
#605 - 2015-01-15 20:56:06 UTC
So back to the OP...

Soooo... 31 pages later Is the war still about to start or has it started?






Every day I'm wafflin!

Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
Tactical Narcotics Team
#606 - 2015-01-15 20:57:28 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.


The faction ship isnt really "Enabling" freighter ganking though. Its bumping, using a legitimate mechanic to stall the warp of a ship. The risk to that ship should be non-existant, anymore than there should be a risk to your ship if you bump another ship when you undock.
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#607 - 2015-01-15 22:01:54 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.


There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people.

Eve is really a great game if you play it.

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#608 - 2015-01-16 01:01:31 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.


There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people.

Eve is really a great game if you play it.



Last I heard was the AG community was planning on having a Dock-In, I am assuming that someone was inspired by Selma. I feel that this will be another excuse for them to not do anything active, and further AFK.

I do agree, John. Play the game, don't just load it up and walk away. Go out, play, have fun, shoot things, get shot at! Get revenge. Make friends, talk! (The sheer silence at times astounds me.)

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#609 - 2015-01-16 02:45:48 UTC
Toriessian wrote:
Soooo... 31 pages later Is the war still about to start or has it started?


Soon(TM).

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#610 - 2015-01-16 03:50:22 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.


There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people.

Eve is really a great game if you play it.


I will believe you when I see a mach killmail.
Dar'Nalaa
Rebel Wilson Fan Club
#611 - 2015-01-16 04:51:14 UTC
Toriessian wrote:
So back to the OP...

Soooo... 31 pages later Is the war still about to start or has it started?









Yes 31 pages long, a bit of a surprise, anyway our war is starting out OK thxs, some parts are a bit slow, like getting more people to do stuff to fight back but our numbers are growing. One new line of work that came up is helping corps and alliances outside of high sec understand ganking, so many live with the danger of low sec and null sec life and think high sec is a safe place to sell their products.
I'm sure it's a shock to Code but many don't know who or what they are until they lose a freighter.

I help guide them to a clear understanding of code, to the type of people within, spread the word I say
So far helped two groups put new practice in place for high sec travel and passed on many AG tips, to which I would like to say thxs to the AG channel for all the info and help, a great group doing a hard job.

We hopefully will be more proactive in the coming weeks as holidays now over, one final point it's all very nice the money and ships that you have donated but one or two hours of anti-ganking work is what's needed from your alts, so now with the chance to Isboxer put your mission runners to good use.

I'll post an update in a new post next week


Dar'Nallaa


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Gorila Vengaza
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#612 - 2015-01-16 05:12:14 UTC
CODE Agent AC wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.


There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people.

Eve is really a great game if you play it.



Last I heard was the AG community was planning on having a Dock-In, I am assuming that someone was inspired by Selma. I feel that this will be another excuse for them to not do anything active, and further AFK.

I do agree, John. Play the game, don't just load it up and walk away. Go out, play, have fun, shoot things, get shot at! Get revenge. Make friends, talk! (The sheer silence at times astounds me.)



LMAO A dock in? Do they sit in station and sing songs? I cant believe any of them could agree on what song to sing...
Black Pedro
Mine.
#613 - 2015-01-16 07:21:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.


There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people.

Eve is really a great game if you play it.


I will believe you when I see a mach killmail.


Jennifer en Marland has three four on her killboard.

You should really be more trusting.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#614 - 2015-01-18 09:58:55 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
John E Normus wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Bit silly that you can use a faction battleship to enable freighter ganking without any risk to that ship. But I can't see a way to introduce a suspect tag for the mach into that situation.


There are some people who don't want to wait for new mechanics and just gank our Machs. We like these people.

Eve is really a great game if you play it.


I will believe you when I see a mach killmail.


Jennifer en Marland has three four on her killboard.

You should really be more trusting.

Five actually.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#615 - 2015-01-18 10:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
Barik Tal wrote:
Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.


I checked, those kills in Hek on December 14 1:23 with a smartbombing thrasher? You did roughly 6-12% of the damage done to all those catalysts, then concord rolled in. Can confirm that you ARE talking out your ass. You smartbombed a whole 20% of their shields off the field and lost your thrasher for the effort, well done, if anything you'll help the gankers by damaging the freighter.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Dar'Nalaa
Rebel Wilson Fan Club
#616 - 2015-01-20 09:36:37 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Barik Tal wrote:
Eventually he found a victim and i switched orbit to him and code rolled in.I was able to smart bomb almost the whole fleet(10 or 11?) off the field before they popped the freighter.Feel free to check my kb to confirm im not talking out of my arse.


I checked, those kills in Hek on December 14 1:23 with a smartbombing thrasher? You did roughly 6-12% of the damage done to all those catalysts, then concord rolled in. Can confirm that you ARE talking out your ass. You smartbombed a whole 20% of their shields off the field and lost your thrasher for the effort, well done, if anything you'll help the gankers by damaging the freighter.



It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik

Dar'Nalaa
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#617 - 2015-01-20 17:38:03 UTC
Dar'Nalaa wrote:
]It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik

Dar'Nalaa

It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.

Want your cause to go anywhere? Put your efforts into something far more constructive, particularly if you want others to join in. By far and away the most effective strategy is educating likely targets about the dangers of space. It is the target that is by far the best positioned to cause gankers to fail, not white knights.

If you must go down the harassment route, go gallente targeted ECM. The ship and fit is cheap, and has a significant range advantage, making it very difficult for gankers to counter if flown competently. A single ECM boat can lock down 2 or 3 gankers, creating a significant chance the gank will fail. Of course, you need to be on grid, alert, waiting for a window only a few seconds wide, sometimes in excess of an hour waiting on a single gank. This makes white knighting tedious and oddly enough, few do it for long, hence why I suggest education, first.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

Kane Ceres
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#618 - 2015-01-20 20:36:22 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
Dar'Nalaa wrote:
]It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik

Dar'Nalaa

It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.



This is exactly why AG will never be sucessful, its always put in the minimum effort required to get your participation trophy and then go home acomplishing nothing.
Dar'Nalaa
Rebel Wilson Fan Club
#619 - 2015-01-20 23:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dar'Nalaa
Hiasa Kite wrote:
[quote=Dar'Nalaa]]It's the taking part that matters, yes only 20% for one player but add more players and your life gets harder, keep up the good work Barik

Dar'Nalaa

It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.

Want your cause to go anywhere? Put your efforts into something far more constructive, particularly if you want others to join in. By far and away the most effective strategy is educating likely targets about the dangers of space. It is the target that is by far the best positioned to cause gankers to fail, not white knights.

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Other than your 1st line I am with you 100%, over the past week we have started an educational program, will be posting about that in the coming weeks

To try something is never a waste of time, sitting back and writing on forums with no action may be a waste yes. More people who take part in this the better.

Not sure why you put that 1st line in, what's the point of any thing if it's not achieving a goal or working to it, the guy I referred to did what he could at the time, why would you put that down, otherwise thxs for your reply you made some good points

Dar'Nalaa

Ps ganker like to call us white Knights, I just do what I feel is right and help others
(Sorry messed the post up, mobile phone no good to post with, this was a reply for the Brave guy above)
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#620 - 2015-01-21 00:19:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
Dar'Nalaa wrote:

Not sure why you put that 1st line in, what's the point of any thing if it's not achieving a goal or working to it, the guy I referred to did what he could at the time, why would you put that down, otherwise thxs for your reply you made some good points



He didn't achieve a goal, that was my point. Unless it was an own one.

There is a difference between fitting up a ship, giving a white knight tactic a try and seeing that it a) works, b) doesn't work, c ) needs more people and x kind of support team, and bombing a bunch of people for 6% once and then calling it a win on the forums, bragging about your concord KM's. He neither achieved a goal nor worked towards one.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy