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War on Gankers

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Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#641 - 2015-01-28 09:58:19 UTC
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
If you know who I am, it's probably from my past ganks.


Nope, never heard of you!
Amyclas Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#642 - 2015-01-28 10:46:01 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
If you know who I am, it's probably from my past ganks.


Nope, never heard of you!


You're pretty, Alana!

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#643 - 2015-01-29 18:04:10 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


Abusing game mechanics would be stopped by CCP. But since its working as intended, no need to worry.


They are not abusing game mechanics. They are using the game mechanics CCP specifically set up to engender this response from you and others.

I don't like them, per se, any more than I like other griefers. But they are NOT abusing the game mechanics.

Not in any way.

Bring your possibles.

Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#644 - 2015-01-29 18:06:19 UTC
Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:
The best counter to bumping is to get on a bumpers good side. I think the most effective method to do so would be to give known bumpers isk. I'm positive that after you fatten their wallets they'll lose interest in bumping your freighter.


kek

Bring your possibles.

Dar'Nalaa
Rebel Wilson Fan Club
#645 - 2015-02-01 09:13:31 UTC

Just a short update,

so far the numbers of anti - gank players taking part in op has grown

Freighter have been saved and more are taking to us and asking for help

New players are asking about ship fittings so to be that little bit safer in highsec

We have started to destroy the loot drops from freighter to stop code making money (a shame indeed)

I have been hunted and tracked, blocked from chat channel in silly ways, sent turnt mails (all ingame content)
and they seem to not to want to talk with me in any channel I cross them in

On the last point it shows me what I do is having an effect, even Alan charen-Teng code's very own Corp hacker, what ever she calls herself, I met in the mining had very few words other than oh you, I'm very happy.


So if you are a victim of mindless ganking and want to help drop along to Anti-ganking channel in game and do your bit for high sec

Dar'nalaa
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#646 - 2015-02-01 09:20:55 UTC
Dar'Nalaa wrote:

Just a short update,

so far the numbers of anti - gank players taking part in op has grown

Freighter have been saved

I should point out that the timing of this post closely follows a massive freighter ganking spree in Uedama.

Quote:
New players are asking about ship fittings so to be that little bit safer in highsec

Victory for the New Order!

Quote:
We have started to destroy the loot drops from freighter to stop code making money (a shame indeed)

Wouldn't it be more profitable to just steal the loot? Get something cheap, fairly tanky, maybe with a few stabs in the lows and try to pilfer a few goodies. You'll simultaneously achieve the goal of denying loot to the new Order AND make a bit of money for yourself, too.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

Black Pedro
Mine.
#647 - 2015-02-01 10:30:40 UTC
Dar'Nalaa wrote:

Just a short update,

so far the numbers of anti - gank players taking part in op has grown

Freighter have been saved and more are taking to us and asking for help

New players are asking about ship fittings so to be that little bit safer in highsec

We have started to destroy the loot drops from freighter to stop code making money (a shame indeed)

Congratulations! Keep up the good fight.

Teaching players what this game is about and how they can protect themselves is a noble endeavour. We need more people to understand that highsec is not a safe zone, and that AFK freighter hauling is not always the proper way to move your goods.

But as was said above, you really should try to steal the loot if you can. You can use the loot to fund a ship replacement program and field an increased number, and perhaps more expensive ships to fight the gankers.

Dar'Nalaa wrote:

So if you are a victim of mindless ganking and want to help drop along to Anti-ganking channel in game and do your bit for high sec

But I will disagree with you there. Ganking is definitely not mindless as it takes technique, effort and coordination to take down a freighter, and even more effort to do it while making a profit. Similar to actually fighting the gankers as you are finding out.

Do you have a blog yet where we can follow your progress?
Dar'Nalaa
Rebel Wilson Fan Club
#648 - 2015-02-01 12:25:07 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:


But I will disagree with you there. Ganking is definitely not mindless as it takes technique, effort and coordination to take down a freighter, and even more effort to do it while making a profit. Similar to actually fighting the gankers as you are finding out.

Do you have a blog yet where we can follow your progress?





I have said in other post, i know ganking freighters is a skill indeed with planning and control, their FC's have a skill to pull it off, My aim was to pull in the people who after gank feel that it is a mindles thing to do in eve, as you will find may do, propaganda is a part of war which both side must use and do.......

More on the loot later. For now off to make more plans and thxs for input
No blog at this time, not all that up on it,



-DarNalaa-


Amyclas Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#649 - 2015-02-02 07:23:31 UTC
Just because all your efforts are not enough does not mean that gankers have an insurmountable mechanical advantage.

Have you also considered that we are much smarter and more tenacious than you?

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Catalytic morphisis
Space Mutts
Space-Mutts
#650 - 2015-02-02 09:08:12 UTC
Problem isn't real, I flew my alts freighter through uedama 4 times yesterday and not a sniff towards it

Actual Link free and scout free solo PvP'er

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#651 - 2015-02-02 11:20:38 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Just because all your efforts are not enough does not mean that gankers have an insurmountable mechanical advantage.

Have you also considered that we are much smarter and more tenacious than you?
Ganking is in fact easier than anti-ganking though. Gankers get to pick their targets while AGs have to guess what will be hit and try to get to the target before the gankers do. Once that happens AGs have a chance based mechanic to reduce DPS of a gank or they have to use logi to counter it which is considerably less effective, while gankers can increase their DPS by precalculated amounts by adding cheap ships, and drastically reduce AGs chances of success with ECCM. Even once a gank is prevented, bumpers can keep the target in place to take a second shot at it. After all that, if the gank is successfully prevented the payout is minimal. Looting the field of ganker wrecks if the independent scavengers didn't get it, and whatever the target feels like sending over, if anything.

I'm not saying ganking doesn't require a level of skill, but to suggest that it's not easier than anti-ganking is disingenuous.

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Amyclas Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#652 - 2015-02-02 22:56:34 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Just because all your efforts are not enough does not mean that gankers have an insurmountable mechanical advantage.

Have you also considered that we are much smarter and more tenacious than you?
Ganking is in fact easier than anti-ganking though. Gankers get to pick their targets while AGs have to guess what will be hit and try to get to the target before the gankers do. Once that happens AGs have a chance based mechanic to reduce DPS of a gank or they have to use logi to counter it which is considerably less effective, while gankers can increase their DPS by precalculated amounts by adding cheap ships, and drastically reduce AGs chances of success with ECCM. Even once a gank is prevented, bumpers can keep the target in place to take a second shot at it. After all that, if the gank is successfully prevented the payout is minimal. Looting the field of ganker wrecks if the independent scavengers didn't get it, and whatever the target feels like sending over, if anything.

I'm not saying ganking doesn't require a level of skill, but to suggest that it's not easier than anti-ganking is disingenuous.


Some people fly coffins through high-sec. Others complain that is hard to stop a fleet from trying to kill said coffin in less than 20 seconds before concord shows up. It sure is easier to assemble a gank fleet than to stop freighters from dying, especially when you are dealing with the organizational and logistical might of the CFC against random high-sec gangs that are only casually related.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Paranoid Loyd
#653 - 2015-02-03 00:15:50 UTC
Lucas, I have seen you post multiple times that the AG are at a disadvantage due to not knowing where the targets will be engaged.

If you are hunting CODE, they only setup in one of a few choice systems and it is fairly obvious when a freighter is being bumped. It takes a few minutes to bump a freighter into a satisfactory position, which is more than enough time to get a counter fleet in position.

So how exactly do you not know where a gank will take place?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#654 - 2015-02-03 08:35:26 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Lucas, I have seen you post multiple times that the AG are at a disadvantage due to not knowing where the targets will be engaged.

If you are hunting CODE, they only setup in one of a few choice systems and it is fairly obvious when a freighter is being bumped. It takes a few minutes to bump a freighter into a satisfactory position, which is more than enough time to get a counter fleet in position.

So how exactly do you not know where a gank will take place?
If it's a freighter, it's likely (but not certain that they'll be operating in a certain area, sure, but it could be on any gate, at a station or in the surrounding systems. And unless they are on the target before the gank fleet actually arrives they will be ineffective, so they have to know which of the bumped targets (of which there is often more than one) is the actual target. That's just freighters and orcas in transit too. Miners are generally tougher, as there's often so many targets in different spots in the system, and a cloaked warp in, that they won't know who is the target until it's way too late. Add in that there's also mission runners that can be scanned down and ad-hoc haulers, and it becomes even tougher.

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Dar'Nalaa
Rebel Wilson Fan Club
#655 - 2015-02-03 09:48:36 UTC
People should come and try helping stop a gank, with 3 or 4 bumpers trying to push freighter off grid, sometimes we have to pick what we save by scanning the target, better to save a full freighter than an empty or afk one, also the other danger that puts people off helping is the grief corps can get from helping us, they have friends who war Dec to keep people away.

Fighting Code is a very dirty war to fight, we have all seen what they do.

Dar'nalaa

If you want to help and are not a member of a skilled pvp group, please use an alt
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#656 - 2015-02-03 14:19:17 UTC
Dar'Nalaa wrote:
Fighting Code is a very dirty war to fight, we have all seen what they do.


What we do is play within the rules of the game. That's not what I'd call dirty.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#657 - 2015-02-03 16:09:24 UTC
OP's corp called Gankbears..........??????????? Gankers will always thrive in high sec and waging a war against them is like fighting an Imaginary ghost. They will slip in and out of the shadows like ninjas, they will not fight you head on, They live to gank on multiple accounts due to standing grinds thus you will not win this war.

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Dar'Nalaa
Rebel Wilson Fan Club
#658 - 2015-02-03 16:31:57 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
OP's corp called Gankbears..........??????????? Gankers will always thrive in high sec and waging a war against them is like fighting an Imaginary ghost. They will slip in and out of the shadows like ninjas, they will not fight you head on, They live to gank on multiple accounts due to standing grinds thus you will not win this war.





We try , not seen you fly with code or you using an alt, and btw love your pic very well done



and Admiral root wars can be clean or dirty we all know this , Code play within the rule or they would be banned but they still play dirty like no other , its in their Goon blood and we learn ,sometimes slowly but we learn.......
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#659 - 2015-02-03 22:01:17 UTC
Dar'Nalaa wrote:
its in their Goon blood
Grr Goons detected, you just kissed goodbye to any credibility you had.

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Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#660 - 2015-02-03 22:34:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Miko Jin
Quote:
Dar'Nalaa wrote:

Just a short update,

so far the numbers of anti - gank players taking part in op has grown

Freighter have been saved

I should point out that the timing of this post closely follows a massive freighter ganking spree in Uedam



Is that not the home of Marmite?

Could Tora comment on this?