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War on Gankers

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#621 - 2015-01-21 00:41:43 UTC
Dar'Nalaa wrote:
what's the point of any thing if it's not achieving a goal or working to it, the guy I referred to did what he could at the time, why would you put that down

I'm not putting down white knighting or an attempt at playing the game. I'm arguing against poor choices that cannot possibly yield a favourable result.

EVE Online is won by preparation. It really is that simple. You prepare by having the right equipment in the right place. You prepare by using the right ship and the right fit. You prepare by gathering intel about your environment and those inhabiting it. You prepare by using both in-game and 3rd party tools. You prepare by using these elements together as the situation and your goals demand.

Barik Tal's little strategy was to smart bomb gank fleets off the grid. OK, there's nothing wrong with exploring new things. Hell, I remember considering smartbombs to gank clusters of weak mining ships. However, I was not satisfied with the ISK investment and the required number of targets required to make such a strategy viable. This is why I mock Barik's counter-gank attempt. Partial damage before CONCORD's arrival is literally meaningless. Even killing the targets before CONCORD arrive is of limited value (e.g. killing a ganker 18 seconds into a 20 second attack). The strategy in question could only possibly work with enough pilots or at the very least, a willingness to sacrifice a disco-fit battleship.

Had Barik researched his strategy, he would've found it so unlikely to have an impact he never would've attempted the counter-gank. Instead, he blindly went on in the hopes that his strategy would achieve something - the end result being a literal waste of time and resources.

What's also quite funny about this kind of situation is that the most effective strategies to counter gankers are most loudly advertised by the gankers themselves. "Tank your ship", "watch local", "use a scout" and their variants are echoed in gank-related threads by the very people that white knights are trying to destroy.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

servalaan
#622 - 2015-01-21 00:54:15 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:



He didn't achieve a goal, that was my point. Unless it was an own one.

There is a difference between fitting up a ship, giving a white knight tactic a try and seeing that it a) works, b) doesn't work, c ) needs more people and x kind of support team, and bombing a bunch of people for 6% once and then calling it a win on the forums, bragging about your concord KM's. He neither achieved a goal nor worked towards one.


Wayne Gretzky
Quote:
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.


6% or 60%, who cares. It's better than going around bumping/ganking ships that cant fight back and calling it ELITE PVP.

Hek to Uedama is littered with these patronozing code ring-sausages.
Individuals WILL find a way to counter these f**k-knuckles then, slowly but surely so will everyone else.
Code voices will grow quiet and they will be forgotten.

If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?

Siegfried Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling
Freighter Friends
#623 - 2015-01-21 01:02:23 UTC
The best counter to bumping is to get on a bumpers good side. I think the most effective method to do so would be to give known bumpers isk. I'm positive that after you fatten their wallets they'll lose interest in bumping your freighter.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#624 - 2015-01-21 01:45:35 UTC
servalaan wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:



He didn't achieve a goal, that was my point. Unless it was an own one.

There is a difference between fitting up a ship, giving a white knight tactic a try and seeing that it a) works, b) doesn't work, c ) needs more people and x kind of support team, and bombing a bunch of people for 6% once and then calling it a win on the forums, bragging about your concord KM's. He neither achieved a goal nor worked towards one.


Wayne Gretzky
Quote:
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.


6% or 60%, who cares. It's better than going around bumping/ganking ships that cant fight back and calling it ELITE PVP.

Hek to Uedama is littered with these patronozing code ring-sausages.
Individuals WILL find a way to counter these f**k-knuckles then, slowly but surely so will everyone else.
Code voices will grow quiet and they will be forgotten.


Wtf is a "ring sausage"?

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#625 - 2015-01-21 01:48:01 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:
It's achieving a goal that matters, not wasting your time and going home with an "at least you tried" medal.


People who achieve things are just bullying and griefing the failures.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#626 - 2015-01-21 01:48:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
servalaan wrote:
Individuals WILL find a way to counter these f**k-knuckles then, slowly but surely so will everyone else.
Code voices will grow quiet and they will be forgotten.
The CODE. voices are the ones who are telling people what the counters are, apart from the permit malarky pretty much all of the counters they list are valid.

Leto Thule wrote:
Wtf is a "ring sausage"?
Some heathen name for Cumberland Sausage?

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Paranoid Loyd
#627 - 2015-01-21 02:00:33 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Wtf is a "ring sausage"?

My guess would be it is the next step up from a circle jerk.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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servalaan
#628 - 2015-01-21 07:15:28 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Wtf is a "ring sausage"?


A ring sausage is....

If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?

Sonne7
Perkone
Caldari State
#629 - 2015-01-21 09:21:57 UTC
Haha ring sausages i like it

Please keep trying things, never stop, remember we do hurt them to which they will never ever admit.




A large populace held in check by a small but powerful force is quite a common situation in our universe. And we know the major conditions wherein this large populace may turn upon its tyrant:

Attention When they find a leader
Attention When the populace recognizes its chains.
AttentionWhen the populace perceives a hope of escape from bondage


- from "Collected Sayings of Dar'Nalaa'' by the Sister Yefa ”
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#630 - 2015-01-21 09:27:26 UTC
Sonne7 wrote:
Haha ring sausages i like it

Please keep trying things, never stop, remember we do hurt them to which they will never ever admit.

But research them first. The more you know, the more likely you'll succeed.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein

Catalytic morphisis
Space Mutts
Space-Mutts
#631 - 2015-01-21 09:28:28 UTC
Sonne7 wrote:


AttentionWhen the populace perceives a hope of escape from bondage



Why would anyone ever want to escape from Bondage?

Actual Link free and scout free solo PvP'er

Ontariuss
Golden Fleet Rearch Industry Corporation
#632 - 2015-01-21 09:51:58 UTC
servalaan wrote:


6% or 60%, who cares. It's better than going around bumping/ganking ships that cant fight back and calling it ELITE PVP.



Lul what?
If someone will damage ur lory 6% before the gank squad appear or 60% will it matter ?

And again, nobody is calling ganking of trucks an ellite pvp. We call it ganking a truck. And nobody do it to call ellite pvp, peepz do it for profit and fun.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#633 - 2015-01-21 10:09:40 UTC
servalaan wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Wtf is a "ring sausage"?


A ring sausage is....


What a let down. That doesn't even make sense...Cry

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#634 - 2015-01-21 13:29:35 UTC
Catalytic morphisis wrote:
Sonne7 wrote:


AttentionWhen the populace perceives a hope of escape from bondage



Why would anyone ever want to escape from Bondage?


Wrong one. Not the kind you pay for.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Kane Ceres
Abyssal Relics
#635 - 2015-01-21 17:05:51 UTC
servalaan wrote:


6% or 60%, who cares. It's better than going around bumping/ganking ships that cant fight back and calling it ELITE PVP.

Hek to Uedama is littered with these patronozing code ring-sausages.
Individuals WILL find a way to counter these f**k-knuckles then, slowly but surely so will everyone else.
Code voices will grow quiet and they will be forgotten.


Individuals

This is why you wont win and they wont be countered, the people that are complaining about ganking and bumping dont get that if they used as many people on freighter runs that code uses to gank them they would be 99.99% ungankable.

But the mentality that I should be safe from 30 people trying to gank me when i am alone is absurd and the reason AG gains no traction.. ever.

Shai 'Hulud
#636 - 2015-01-21 19:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
If you know who I am, it's probably from my past ganks. So while I couldn't care less about afk players that are not using bots, I am certainly not typically one to attack other gankers.

That said, I find myself agreeing with Veers in what little I have read of this stuff *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
High sec. is no more dangerous than it was a couple years ago. In fact, it is safer. And to that end, the only real effect I see you guys having on the game is a bigger push to completely remove the game mechanics on which you rely. On this, I have a great deal of experience.

I liked it better when griefers where open and honest about who they are, and what they are about. Nothing wrong with collecting tears, but don't try to tell me you're changing the game or that I should buy a pass from you. Get over yourselves...

The most useful slaves are those that believe themselves to be free

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#637 - 2015-01-22 00:23:28 UTC
I removed a reply to an edited out part of the quoted post.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Mag's
Azn Empire
#638 - 2015-01-22 00:54:03 UTC
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
If you know who I am, it's probably from my past ganks. So while I couldn't care less about afk players that are not using bots, I am certainly not typically one to attack other gankers.

That said, I find myself agreeing with Veers in what little I have read of this stuff *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
High sec. is no more dangerous than it was a couple years ago. In fact, it is safer. And to that end, the only real effect I see you guys having on the game is a bigger push to completely remove the game mechanics on which you rely. On this, I have a great deal of experience.

I liked it better when griefers where open and honest about who they are, and what they are about. Nothing wrong with collecting tears, but don't try to tell me you're changing the game or that I should buy a pass from you. Get over yourselves...
You need these.

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Elyham
Perkone
Caldari State
#639 - 2015-01-22 01:52:12 UTC
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
If you know who I am, it's probably from my past ganks. So while I couldn't care less about afk players that are not using bots, I am certainly not typically one to attack other gankers.

That said, I find myself agreeing with Veers in what little I have read of this stuff *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
High sec. is no more dangerous than it was a couple years ago. In fact, it is safer. And to that end, the only real effect I see you guys having on the game is a bigger push to completely remove the game mechanics on which you rely. On this, I have a great deal of experience.

I liked it better when griefers where open and honest about who they are, and what they are about. Nothing wrong with collecting tears, but don't try to tell me you're changing the game or that I should buy a pass from you. Get over yourselves...


As a peaceful industrialist I wholeheartedly agree with Shai's assessment and am not happy about any more changed game mechanics...
servalaan
#640 - 2015-01-27 23:49:56 UTC
Kane Ceres wrote:
servalaan wrote:


6% or 60%, who cares. It's better than going around bumping/ganking ships that cant fight back and calling it ELITE PVP.

Hek to Uedama is littered with these patronozing code ring-sausages.
Individuals WILL find a way to counter these f**k-knuckles then, slowly but surely so will everyone else.
Code voices will grow quiet and they will be forgotten.


Individuals

This is why you wont win and they wont be countered, the people that are complaining about ganking and bumping dont get that if they used as many people on freighter runs that code uses to gank them they would be 99.99% ungankable.

But the mentality that I should be safe from 30 people trying to gank me when i am alone is absurd and the reason AG gains no traction.. ever.



Well 'this' individual found she needed two accounts to nullify these ganking ring sausages, and luck would have it...

If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?