EVE General Discussion

Whoa...

That...that was easily the most depressing post of 2014.

But if you really want to pull that through, I have created a template for everyone, only fill in your character's name and follow Jen's instructions..

http://i.imgur.com/cn4DVTq.jpg

You're welcome. and happy New Year to everybody!

On the flip side of this coin

Anyone like to venture a guess as to how many accounts will be unsubbed (have been unsubbed) since the input duplication change?

X Isboxers, Y accounts over Z time = ?

So far theres the confirmation of (when I say confirmation, I refer to people on forums saying they have cancelled "dismany" accounts) at least 500 accounts....

Very optimistically there is the possibility we're currently playing Eve 2, beta release. You might suspect that current feedback to various beta projects like the new map, drastic (all be it mostly pleasant) UI changes and various efforts on SiSi of late are both part of a new development and release flow as well as Eve 2's open beta project.

To be blindingly cheery (feel free to insinuate i should cut back on booster use), one might suspect in a couple years we'll be in a much better place than we are now, playing a wholly new Version of Eve. Oh, it'll still be tranquility with our characters and assets, the fundamentals of Eve as we know them will be mostly still here. But it'll just as equally be drastically improved and changed.

With all of this current effort and the new face of Eve to come, it may draw in a new generation of players who wish to participate in the New Eden experience as a whole. From there, real growth in population. New records and explosions in space. Oh, and a darn good reason to have stuck around through the thick n' thin of our player experiences past and present due to :CCP:


(Or i should consider cutting back on the synth stuff too)

For now they are plucking the golden goose - would not both the current, maybe cranked up a bit for more difficulty and another spehal server, be best?

Actually, I might use that.
Be interesting to see who contacts me. Maybe some kind hearted players, maybe some wanting to rub it in and call me a loser or maybe some that would see the humour in it.

The long distance travel nerf is probably one of the best long term changes CCP has ever made with respect to getting new players into the game. I get that you're butthurt that you have been mildly inconvenienced by having to slightly adapt your easy way of playing, but meanwhile the people that actually care about getting new players into the game, and who actually do something about it (instead of sitting in a corner and pouting and holding their breath until CCP say sorry) have been having an absolute blast down in Catch. And they have recruited an absolutely huge number of new players in the last few weeks.

And the fact that they've been able to do so is almost wholly due to the jump fatigue mechanic.

So CCP have done good work in attracting new players; BNI have done amazing work in recruiting them. What you have done is sulk and pretend that it's some great moral crusade.

Why is EVE losing its playerbase? So yeah, they release the trailer, they see a spike of new players being born, more new players coming in, all well and good. The only problem is - this game has 0 content for a brand new player. U can argue that the game has 0 content for a vet as well, but hey, whatever i know what ur counter is going to be.

Bro, player interaction is where it's at, that's the gem that this game has to offer. Being in a corp, flying with friends, killing stuff with friends, dying with friends. Ok, i hear ya. U're right... Watching paint dry is gonna be fun with the right person. And the thrill of losing an expensive ship is appealing to some people. And the heartbeat during pvp is something some people experience from time to time.

I'm not gonna dwell on the problem of KB whores flying pirate frigates and killing a week old chars in a t1 fit frigs. Not gonna mention the fact, that 90% of eve players are afraid to take an unfavourable matchup ( and maybe rightfully so ) and feel the need to warp off / use an alt/ overblob fleet vs fleet, all of that happens because of two things - ship loss upon death, which is the core concept of eve and cannot be changed. And killmails and killboards. Now, can u imagine eve without killmails and killboards? It would be a totally different game. But that's never gonna happen for obvious reasons :) Just like achievements in WoW, some people play EvE purely to fap on their KB and pad their useless stats. Understandable.

How about... U add more actual content to the game? U know, for people who are not fans of pvp or spreadsheets. EVE happens to be in a very competitive market. What about revamping mining? Make it into a proper mini-game, instead of just staring at the roids... 10+ years have passed, and it's still the same crap. I'm sorry, that's just unacceptable. How about u do a revamp of a mission system? There's plenty of opportunities out there for PvPers to have fun, but not much for anyone else.

The new exploration system was a step in the right direction. Yeah, the mini-game is a piece of crap that leads to carpal tunnel, but at least CCP tried doing something. But that's the only addition to core gameplay mechanics that i can think of. Fixing the balance of ships, making useless ships useful all of that is great, but cmon. It's 2015, not 2004. People NEED fun gameplay that doesn't revolve around PvP. U can't expect to get 1 million subscribers without throwing a bone to casual players. And trust me, CCP WANTS to appease casual players. Oh yes they do, they have been butchering the hardcore side of eve for years now and yet.... nothing... the numbers are going down :)

I remember that a long time ago they promised us - there won't be EVE 2, u're playing it right now. Ok, fine, strong statement. Now prove it.

p.s. For people who are gonna scream that marketing "sandbox vs theme park" bullshit. I hear ya, eve is a sandbox. It's a great game, one of a kind. But please stop giving CCP a pass for being lazy with adding content to the game under the shroud of - SANDBOX, BROTHERS!

U saved a lot of seconds typing that post. U should be proud of ur self.

Mr Epeen

so take 2000 off any number you see as this is the current number of bots in jita.

after that average accounts per person are probably around 10.

final figures are:

current population right now 32115 - 2000 / 10 = 3000ish people if you are really really lucky and those include the collaborators(CSM's) and trial accounts.

logged into WOT earlier EU server 1 = 140k, EU server 2 = 90k

who said EVE wasn't dead?

Lots of changes have affected lots of things. ISBoxer limitations will mean fewer alt accounts and fewer accounts logged in at once but should make mining a more profitable career and cause more industrialist player growth. Also it will help combat RMT which will make CCP more money through increased plex sales in the long run even with fewer accounts.

Phoebe likely changed capital use such that fewer cyno accounts are active.

On the other hand, the new skill queue will keep players paying for their accounts even when they are inactive.

It is really hard to predict actually what is making CCP money. I think the really major area they want to concentrate on is new player retention. I know Brave's numbers are up. This is a good sign.

Now for in game enjoyment, having a lot of players online means lots of targets and fights. Having fewer online means safer Indy and ratting. There are pluses to both conditions. Enjoy whatever aspect you're getting. If you don't want to do that, change your timezone and/or your region.

Talk to a 10-year vet about the golden age when Eve was more fun with a fraction of the player base.

Anyway, the great changes happening have had an effect. I run into a bunch of new players that stay and run into a bunch of returning players. That are happier this time around. It's impossible to measure exactly how well Eve is doing, but it's safe to say Eve is still not growing fast enough but certainly isn't shrinking or dying. But since player retention is really the issue the overall health will change slowly over time.

As far as in game fun, if you want more targets and fights, you probably need to switch alliances. There is more fighting going on since Phoebe.