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Everyone is too obsessed with their killboard stats!

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Mashie Saldana
I'm Sorry Shoot What?
WE FORM V0LTA
#1 - 2014-12-12 18:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mashie Saldana
So, I was roaming in lowsec again with my favorite fed navy comet. I saw another fed navy in the novice, so I pursued him in. As I was landing, he warped away. I asked him why he did it and he told me he's too scared. He lost his comet about 30 minutes later to a kiting tristan.

This happens a LOT to me in lowsec. Last night, 2 comets bailed. About 2 weeks ago, I was sitting in a novice with a republic fleet firetail and another firetail appeared on dscan, he was sitting in front of the novice for about a minute and then he warped.

I asked him in local why he did it, and he told me he's worried about losing his ship.

In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.

With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.

I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

I just wish there weren't no public killboards.

Combat log stats in eve should definitely stay, and imo one should be on the kill it even if he doesn't cause the final blow. You whore on a killmail, it should appear in the combat log. That way, if there weren't public killboards, you'd still see and could link what you've lost/killed.

This is probably not going to happen, but it would be awesome if it did!


And it wouldn't be a problem for corp recruiters, either. They could just see all your kills/losses in your API.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#2 - 2014-12-12 18:24:40 UTC
"killboard killboard"

Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people.

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Mashie Saldana
I'm Sorry Shoot What?
WE FORM V0LTA
#3 - 2014-12-12 18:25:32 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
"killboard killboard"

Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people.



Haha i know, just fixed it. NO idea how that happened, must have been a spai.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2014-12-12 18:27:28 UTC
Remove killboards and they will think up another excuse to not fight you.
Mining Man Manny
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-12-12 18:31:12 UTC
If you don't think killboards really mean anything then give your corpmates the bird, go fly your ships and have fun.

As Sol Project said it's the people that are the problem, not the killboard. So, get rid of the people.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2014-12-12 18:33:32 UTC
Out of all the possible reasons you could find to justify why EVE combat pilots are so risk averse, KBs are near to number one.

They're the bane of the game.

Mr Epeen Cool
J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#7 - 2014-12-12 18:39:26 UTC
Really. Plenty of corps and people that have a "0 fucks given" policy for their killboards.


If I was at any point in a corp that prevents me to use ship "x" cause of their killboard stats. I would laugh, undock, let it explode to the first person that I come across and then leave the corp.

EVE is about fun, not killboard stats.

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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-12-12 18:44:08 UTC
Goonswarm don't even have a killboard
Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#9 - 2014-12-12 18:45:00 UTC
I had only one cheap ass pathetic loss ever, happened during my first two weeks in eve, and people are still trying to stick it in my face and ask if I'm still upset about it. I have billions from industry now, I have avoided all pvp (for an indy pilot in providence region, that's an achievement) for years, and they ask me if I'm upset about a T1 hauler with some ore in it!
I can only imagine how bad it gets if you get a lapse of mind and get a stupid-looking killmaill for it, or lose to an equally (or, god forbid, worse) equipped ship! People will stick it into your face for ages, you can have 1000 kills spree after that and people will still laugh at you for that one loss.
Thus, I agree that public killboards are cancer indeed.

They won't make me think combat pvp is something worth investing into - after all, bigger SP blob always wins, so it's only a matter of bringing more collective SP and committing no blunders in fitting or tactics to ensure a victory over lesser SP blob of your enemy. But indeed they would make lives of those who have embarrassing material on those killboards a bit easier if they go.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Idriane
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-12-12 18:45:06 UTC
If we dont have killboards how will everyone see all the falcons i lose?
Gunnar Ward
Treecreeper
#11 - 2014-12-12 18:50:24 UTC
My corp is mostly concerned with having a high number of overall kills. That incidentally means we have a high number of overall losses too...

We'll take the content where we can get it. Hopefully we win the majority of the time, but nobody bats 1000.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#12 - 2014-12-12 18:56:37 UTC
We should get loyalanon in here.

He's definitely the number one person with the most experience
in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#13 - 2014-12-12 18:58:09 UTC
Killboards go bothways
You have the kbnazis that worry about every little loss, and should you lose a ship the give you a talk or kick you out of corp/alliance
Then you have the killboard padders that roam around in overbearing blobs or go into highsec and lay siege to systems with ganking

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-12-12 19:00:22 UTC
So, am I to understand that ~elitepvp~ is 95% running away?

That can't be right...
J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2014-12-12 19:01:52 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
We should get loyalanon in here.

He's definitely the number one person with the most experience
in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards.




WOW.

That is a name I haven't seen in 4.5 years.

I remember being a corpie of Loyal a long long long time ago.

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#16 - 2014-12-12 19:08:43 UTC
I have been in corps and alliances that took their kill board stats way too seriously. Personally I just want to undock and kill things. Unfortunately, I'm only average at the killing part which means I end up dying a lot too. But that's part of the process.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

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Mario Putzo
#17 - 2014-12-12 19:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.

Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.

While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid.

In regards to not wanting to risk losing a ship that might cause your friends to become mad at you, **** em. Or find new friends.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#18 - 2014-12-12 19:14:01 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

can guarantee alliance won't actually care about a faction web or we'd be nothing but a bunch of incredibly attractive hypocrites

i personally don't care about a vindy on the board. ctq's lost expensive crap more than enough times in the past

you have my permission as ctq's beauty pageant winner to explode hilariously
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-12-12 19:15:05 UTC
You can't have killmails without loss mails, and people will never give up their killmails.

A beautiful killmail is like meeting Jessica Alba in a bar, nailing her, then having a photo of her curled up under your arm in bed.

Now imagine your Facebook page, covered in said photos, including Taylor Swift (and that fail-fit 300lb fatty you took down)...

Why, you would be a GOD amongst men, surely.

F
Carmen Electra
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2014-12-12 19:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
I have to agree with OP. Removing public killboards would work wonders for this game.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
You can't have killmails without loss mails, and people will never give up their killmails.

No need to give up KMs, just the API.

Source: Used to be a Waffle
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