Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nice to see you abandon the main threadnaught maybe it was hitting you a bit hard, Oh well not to fear I have found my target again.



Question then:
Is a carrier a combat ship or a logistical ship because the module that is made for carriers points it towards logistics and as such a logistical ship should have better range than the other capitals.



Will you get any data from un subscribed and dormant capital pilots ?

So if something dies off in practice that has become a staple for small groups you will alter it ?

I don’t see how bashing a carrier ( the biggest logistical platform in the game ) is helpful to small groups of people no matter what you do to black ops, rorqs or JF’s.




Wait do we have a bubble within game that we can anchor on ( and by on I mean directly on ) gates, No I didn’t think so either they are just bubbles.

You would rather have capitals in space then ?
I don’t see capital ships being used at all by anyone informed about these changes they all un subscribed in the last thread or did you gloss over that.

I’m still struggling to see this change as anything good, You ask for feedback then because there was so much ( or just so much rage ) you hide away in this thread redefining the word “logistics” to just mean hauling crap loads of crap.

Logistics is not just done with freighters, Jump freighters or industrial ships it’s done with triage carriers and remote reps A type of gameplay I see dying more and more.
Now the only logistic ship for anyone to care about is a guardian it’s about the same right triage carrier and guardian.
Yet your plan is to still pidgin hole the entire capital range as “combat focused” because they project power over distance, The solution is simple take away the horde’O drones carriers can launch and restrict them to fighters only.

I’ve played this game plenty and given above and beyond to it and its players weather it be in restless nights trying to show dev’s the errors of their ways ( including that aborted feature / expansion encarna ) or fighting 100+ drake gangs with 10 people ( emergent gameplay ) and winning, All of them are coming to an end including my subs.

To put capitals into todays machine of war perspective:

The titan and super carrier is the tank with their fighter bombers and DD’s being weapons of immense destruction
The dreadnaught is infantry
The carrier is the medic

Look i summed up capitals for you, Too bad I’m not going to be here STO just got my money I’m just here to see what sort of mess you make of things so I can rub your noses in it, Throw you outside and leave you there like the decrepit dog eve has become.

You want feedback sure have it but don’t ask for it then totally ignore valid points then start a new thread so you can gloss over all the reply’s.

Send 10 mil ISK to my account if you want my stuff. Maybe a decade later CCP might see the error of their ways and I might re-subscribe and come back so I will want to have something waiting for me just in case. Send 10 mil to smokey too if you want his stuff too. We will thank you for your donations. lol. So many idiots in Eve.

To CCP, I stayed with Eve to train my carrier skills to 5 and intended to stay forever but since carriers have remained at a severe disadvantage, have never been fixed, and now are getting nerfed the crap out of them, now I ready to move on. Thanks for giving me the motivation to let go of Eve.

PS: If you want to see capitals in space, instead of dreaming about carriers stuck in bubbles at gates (which will never happen unless they are in massive cap and subcap fleet ops), you should be dreaming about removing the reasons that carriers are not carelessly exposed to the instant death of DDs, the insane dps and hp of the supercarriers, or the insignificance of the triage module for massive capital battle logistics work. Give carriers reasons to go out in space. If they still don't go out, then either the reasons weren't good enough or the risk remains far too great. They still are multi-BILLION ISK ships which cannot be even remotely compared to the risk of just losing a few million ISK interceptor.

ok while everyone else is arguing ill post feedback.

1. Black ops 8 ly is good In fact they can reach in slightly deeper to a few places that is going to be great for some hit and run.
2. Carriers are still the poor mans jump freighter, give them 7 lys but increase fuel consumption by another 25%
3. Half the rorquals drone bonus and increase the jump range by 50%. It can go farther but still have some sort of ability to defend itself.

Let's argue about carriers and rorqurals.

Wait a sec, haha more fuel consumption for carriers, some need to stimulate the isotope market again, like last time it was increased?

No wait, actually... since titans can take gates, their ability to doomsday on a tank of fuel is greater. Perhaps to prevent excessive doomsdaying (and to make friends have to bring them fuel on the field, oooh combat refuelling) we should increase DD costs by 50%, no 100%

It was bound to happen when certain groups starting using carriers to kill everything in a post-isk-on-field world.

One of the truly boring fixtures of this game is travel time. Whether for fedex missions, op staging, immigration, or market access. Nothing I have heard here, put for by ANYONE - trolls, Greyscale, pros, or cons - has shown me anywhere close to a good enough side effect of this radical mobility nerf to justify the aggravation and wasted player time its going to cause.

Sov wars are already unpopular due to boredom and the amount of free playing time those who participate must sacrifice. I don't see this doing anything more than setting the status quo in concrete by costing those who want to grow more precious playing time. Once the JF nerf was lowered just slightly below train wreck economic status, and the megacorps managed to smother their logistics carriers, their only comments have been rather smugly satisfied. Curious that, as this nerf anvil is designed to hit them where it hurts the most.

Meanwhile, it just makes it harder and harder for your average small entity to either get to null or grow once they arrive. It's too late to take back the year or so training per pilot it cost a subscriber to be jump capable. How do you justify the HUGE cost of this 'theorycraft' to the common player?

Are you willing to allow players to 'trade in' these high dollar skills for a skill point refund? Are you going to build a Red Frog like logistical service in game to mitigate the huge increase in time to move ANYTHING over long distances?

I'll repeat what I said earlier. The ineffectiveness of this change will be DWARFED by it's collateral damage.

Go back to the drawing board. It's not too late to abort this abortion.

Yep, confirming I'm totally smugly satisfied. (Disclaimer: I don't own a JF, but obviously rely on people who do)


Why, do they have to? All that is necessary is to prevent mass unsubs (a few is fine of course)



Suspect it will be to fatiguing for them to run.

But you can take gates with the subcaps you love

And you can rep them, and the enemy can't really kill you, neut you out, jam you, damp you and the like... it's basically a SuperGuardian


If you're a not-Aeon, you could take gates with the carriers when it's time to rep pos!! Exciting. Hm, but I'm stuck in an Aeon

Amazing how many people fail to see that being able to cross gates is a MASSIVE boost to capitals. They will be Even MORE powerful now on the tactical level, they are just less strategically immediate. That means they can apply even more power than before with more combat options, but they cannot do it in the blink of an eye from the other side of the map.

The only real problem I see with the changes will be titans crossing gates and screwing up any camps or fleets at other side by sheer mega bumping.

I don't really get why carriers need to have drones or fighters, except duh they're called carriers. RR and triage is enough of a thing for a ship to do, it doesn't need to be a solopwnmobile long range teleporting gank hauler as well.