EVE General Discussion

Indeed it does, although I wouldn't call more options controls. Controls suggests direct action by CCP whereas the reality is that CCP have taken the path of indirect action by giving us more options to choose from. Tiericide is part of those options.

People choose to make themselves profitable targets, by the value of the goods they carry, the way they fit their ships, and the way they play the game.

Not being the fool caught with his pants down, afk/APing or not, in an unfitted or shitfit ship, with a cargo value of more than double the cost of the ships required to take it from him, is as much PvP as shooting someone in the face.

It's fun to evade the gankers, who are generally some of the people giving advice on how not to get ganked. Assume they want to kill you, try to make somebody else much more appetising.

They know what works against them, and they choose to share that knowledge. They don't have to share it, but they do because they know that 90% of their prey will pay no heed and remain profitable targets.

We already get no insurance payout on any gank ship and sec loss.

Why add them at all?

There's no insurance payout on ships used in a suicide gank. Suicide gankers murder ships for a living, they're roving mauraders, you think they're going to pay fines?
More to the point who is going to impose those fines? The only precedent for fines is getting caught by faction customs with contraband which is RNG'd IIRC. If they haven't been bugfixed they're the only thing outside of CCP that can put you into negative wallet.

You're free to try and impose your own though, that's the beauty of Eve.

TBH anybody in an empty freighter is a fool imho, they're dead heading.

If I have to fly a hauler I make damn sure I'm making money out of it. If I go to hub to sell my stuff, I'll carry low collateral courier contracts both ways if I have the room and it falls under my 3k per EHP (r)isk limit.

I took "bring guns" to be a figure of speech, I understood it as at least scout ahead and tank your ship. If you're carrying a high total value bring friends, with webs, or guns, or reps, which is pretty much a universal counter. Webs are particularly effective when hauling, but will incur crimewatch unless the webber and the hauler are in the same corp or a limited engagement, normally a duel.

lol you wish.

Is it really necessary that all this is being kept up?


I'm not argueing for a lock of this thread, no ...

But people constantly come up with things that show that they hate core features of the game
and bring up "points" against how it works, while at the same time showing that they most often
do not understand the involved mechanics anyway.


I really believe that when someone does not really understand what he is talking about,
then there is no point to it. Of course it is important to educate the willing,
but this will just keep going and going and going and going.

Instead of reformulating the same things every single time,
why can't we have a place that correctly lists mechanics and rules involved,
without any bias or opinion? People could link there and dismiss posts
made by those who refuse to educate themselves!


That way we all save so much lifetime and stop wasting time with writing the same things over
and over and over and over and over and over again.

I bet this thread here is FULL of pointless redundancy.


Just my thoughts.

I like to point out that the poster above,
who talks about fines,
is not really seriously interested in improving the game at all.

He just keeps coming up with modifications of his point,
while he actually only cares about removing suicide ganking from the game completely.


He is not interested in talking at all and just wants to be right,
while not caring about the game at all.

Pure self interest, like so many of them.

You keep responding as if there was a point.


Thanks for your attention.

You have it arse backwards, my friend. It's not up to CCP to do for you what you can do for yourself with equal access to the same tools that everybody else has. If haulers/miners are upset about the 'reward' that gankers are getting, they have numerous measures available to reduce it themselves, and even mitigate the possibility of a successful gank in the first place. This thread has offered many such measures in no uncertain terms, dismissed by the "don't make me do stuff" themepark crowd so flippantly as to show their hand clear as day - SP above me called it, you just want a perfectly safe highsec.

The day highsec is safe is the day EVE as it is dies and becomes something else. Something it was never intended to be. The game you're playing now, though, is working as intended. It's up to you to adapt to it, it's not up to CCP to adapt it to you.

on about killboard stats ie killing hulk with a catalyst cost to kill ratios

This can be avoided entirely by flying a well tanked skiff.

Killing hulks with catalysts is not only about a green killboard or isk killed vs isk lost, although there's certainly people who do it for that. There's plenty of others that do it because the guy in the hulk is a bellend, for plain old profit, or any number of other reasons.

On profit, if you build and sell exhumers and barges, it's in your interests that there is a demand, so you create one or increase an existing one, either with an alt, or by paying someone to do it for you; consider it a marketing expense.