EVE General Discussion

@ ISD Ezwal
Moderation aside, I hope that some of the posts at least made you chuckle before you removed them, some of them were quite amusing, even if they did infringe on the rules

This is counter intuitive speculation on your part. You have no evidence of this. It is reasonable to assume that the great majority of victims of suicide ganking are those who haven't had it done to them before. Nobody will put their entire stash into a hauler after they know its possible for a single vexor to gank it in HS. Players all too often aren't aware of how long concord response times can be. Suicide ganking in large part is preying upon victims whose only crime is lack of information about the game. The victims are usually those who pay cash for their subs because they don't know enough about the game and aren't involved enough in the game to earn enough for PLEXs.

My initial goal was a freighter and it was the first purchase over 1 bil that I made. I still considered myself a newb when I bought it even though my character was over two years old. I don't normally pay attention to the forums much because I don't like the people who like to throw their worthless 2 cents in every thread. I spend a lot of time autopiloting and I wasn't aware untill a couple months ago about this HS bumping frighter ganking nonsense. Only by sheer luck and my casual play schedule have I not been ganked while autopiloting my freighter.

Had a catastrophic loss like that happened, I would have surely quit this game. Not just out of the loss, but out of knowledge that no area of space could I escape the tedium of having to jump gate to gate, and be forced into using a second account just to haul in high-sec. People just don't expect to be suicide ganked in high sec and that is what suicide gankers rely upon.

As a suicide ganker who doesn't loot I rely mostly on donations,
rarely I have to push a PLEX into the system.

That being said, if my corpmates were a bit more motivated........



This thread should be about pizza now.

Sorry but I don't see how suicide ganking for loot isn't profitable for every age...

Can anyone explain?

My corpmate Pix keeps shooting ships with blueprints,
the lucker,
and two thrashers worth around 5mill dish out around 6-7k raw damage,
which can kill quite a bit more than just frigates.

Three of my thrashers reach 10k damage still for quite less than a vexor costs ...
... and every additional thrasher adds around 4k damage.

Under sentry fire of course.


... my corpmates need a kick in the nuts.........

Probs misunderstood then.
I never look at isk/hr though... i value fun.

If it takes me two hours for ganking 100mill and I have fun,
then I still win. Greed is a horrible thing.

Oh and you're the experienced one when it comes to ganking in a vexor, iirc.

I do hope you have a scanning and ganking permit...........

Oh you do.

You are not above the CODE. Scanning frigates and gate gankers smell
horribly like bot aspirants, because they just sit around seemingly afk.

And even you will start paying for a permit
when people start killing the wrecks before you can loot them.....
..... keep buming your thorax to ruin tracking ....
.... and keep killing your scanning frigates .....

Some fools have tried to sell me ganking permits, it's never gone beyond that, one guy sat at the gate for a while in a griffin but that was easy enough to deal with, he got bored and left.

Popping my wrecks, another threat that has never been followed through on.

Tracking is irrelevant while an indy is aligning, not sure what you are getting at.

As for my scanner, your boy has tried and failed every time.
James himself (alt Currin Trading) has tried and failed.
Many others have tried and failed.
The most comical episode was the other day when an ISBoxer used 6 thrashers and still failed.
Seemingly AFK is not the same as AFK.

Q: Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.
A: You can make money now from manufacturing freighters, if I where to manufacture freighters, sell them on the market, then when people buy them have a gang of catalyst out side, BOOM! they need to buy another one. Profit mmmmm

"I think suicide ganking has become a problem..."

I have a remedy!

Make the NPC corps at war with their opposing NPC corps... then we can do away with all this "suicide" and engage in piracy properly

I've never really considered ganking to be about income, except for maybe the first year or so.

Its not that you 'made' 100M ISK.
Its that your victim lost twice as much - or more.

Running Level 4's doesn't actually accomplish anything because nobody 'loses'.
The game engine will just generate as many red X's as needed to keep you in a stupor.

Killing players, podding them - and taking what they have, then watching them cry, ragepost and quit?
That is the real payoff.

Still, nerfing ganking to the point where its completely unprofitable is not desirable because the ganking career path should be accessible to the new player, not just the 8 year vet with endless buckets of disposable ISK, millions of SP and a logistics backbone.

Ganking was quite accessable and profitable for entry level players in 2008 - along with other 'anti-social' pursuits like mission runner ganking and ninja looting. These days, the costs are higher, game rules are stricters and margins much thinner, due to CCP dancing to the tune of endless carebear whines.