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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2641 - 2014-08-19 13:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

It was also unplayable unless you banned or severely limited those damn torpedoes if you had more than 3 or 4 thousand points a side. . It took like 4 hours a turn once you got enough torps happening.


I always played fairly low point games, myself. Four or five cruisers and some escorts worth. Easier to play four person games with lower points values, makes losses count, etc.

But the torps, I never had that much issues with. That prow armor for ramming? *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2642 - 2014-08-19 16:05:18 UTC
my cohabitant / GM is a former EVE player who left due to [reasons]. However, he's a great lover of the 40k universe... and after one unsuccessful campaign of 'Deathwatch'... and watching 'Space Pirate Captain Harlock' is seriously considering a campaign of 'Rogue Trader'.
Ultimately the GW miniature games are for those who have quite a bit of money and spare time on their hands for the acquisition and painting of their armies. The tabletop games offer an alternative, even though at times it pales in comparison to the real thing.

While i do love EVE the way she is (that redheaded psychobitch **** that she is), there are times I really do wish I could lock down and board an enemy ship, plunder their loot and fly away. Especially after him making me watch that movie.
More than bumping, more than ganking... I want to board and pillage and run off with all the booze and hookers and call it a glorious day. Even more than that I want my targets to laugh along with me at what just happened and message me with 'Dude, that was f'ning awesome!' so i know that we're all having fun.
People taking this game too seriously is just bad, we're all trying to have fun here.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2643 - 2014-08-19 16:26:11 UTC
Actually, the cruiser I killed was worth 1.35 Billion. It only dropped 250 mil. Try again chummer, the loot fairy hates me.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2644 - 2014-08-19 16:32:21 UTC
If people just followed the Law they'd never get ganked. BTW I like how a thread about us ganking empty freighters (showing that we're not completely in it for profit) has turned into a whinefest about how its too easy to profit from ganking.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2645 - 2014-08-19 16:36:17 UTC
The point being that no, CCP should NOT manage risk vs reward in PVP, the bloody PLAYERS should. I'm not confused at all, drunk maybe, but not confused. It's not an extreme case. Oftentimes I get drops in excess of 50 million when I kill a battlecruiser with my t1 frigate. Why? Because players fit the damned things. Then, when they explode I get half of it.
It's a matter of personal choice to be quite honest. I can make a load of isk popping folks who are highly indignant over me taking their metal scraps, such as the gnosis I destroyed this morning (one less in the game!), for less risk than those who are suiciding their ships in hopes of maybe maybe coming out even or better in an attempt to gank a hauler for their cargo.
They are guaranteed to lose what they have for what they may get. I am not guaranteed a fight with my frigate, but when I get it I still am not guaranteed a win... but if I do win I get 50% of what drops without losing my ****. They always lose their ****. Take yer damned pants off your head and listen to the words that are being pointed at you.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2646 - 2014-08-19 16:39:08 UTC
Rabe Raptor wrote:
If people just followed the Law they'd never get ganked. BTW I like how a thread about us ganking empty freighters (showing that we're not completely in it for profit) has turned into a whinefest about how its too easy to profit from ganking.


Your average suicide ganker makes less isk in a month than a level 4 mission runner. Sometimes you get great drops, but you sit around for hours scanning things for it.

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#2647 - 2014-08-19 16:40:14 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Take yer damned pants off your head and listen to the words that are being pointed at you.


Completely relevant to the above quote

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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2648 - 2014-08-19 16:48:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Rabe Raptor wrote:
If people just followed the Law they'd never get ganked. BTW I like how a thread about us ganking empty freighters (showing that we're not completely in it for profit) has turned into a whinefest about how its too easy to profit from ganking.


Your average suicide ganker makes less isk in a month than a level 4 mission runner. Sometimes you get great drops, but you sit around for hours scanning things for it.



Very very wrong :)

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Omar Alharazaad
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#2649 - 2014-08-19 16:49:38 UTC
Or basically any other post by Tippia explaining how you are completely wrong. There are several.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2650 - 2014-08-19 17:03:54 UTC
perhaps in the stages of advanced inebriation I have discarded my more delicate measures available for diplomacy... given this I still don't give 1/4 of a rats arse. You get it. They get it. if you pretend you don't get it then you are lying to yourself.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#2651 - 2014-08-19 17:09:57 UTC
While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense.

Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims.

Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park.

ENOUGH!

Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining.

F

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2652 - 2014-08-19 17:10:35 UTC
Sorry. I meant to edit and apparently reposted.
My point was that I do NOT gank. You apparently do not get this. The only PVP I engage in is completely consensual. The target MUST shoot at me first. There is no ganking involved. CONCORD never leaves the doughnut shop. I go flashy (suspect for the EVE impaired) and then someone decides it's a lovely idea to shoot at me. After that I get to stick the antenna of my incursus in all the spots that it will fit in... and in some cases places it won't. The example I gave was not rediculous by any means. hit up zkillboard and search me up and you'll find exactly what I'm talking about.

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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#2653 - 2014-08-19 17:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense.

Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims.

Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park.

ENOUGH!

Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining.

F



its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times. Its about the gross imbalance of risk/reward when compared to other activities. Currently the reason suicide ganking is attracting so many people is because of the incredible profits that are possible at extremely negligible costs and without any profitable incentives to go after them. Not to mention its infinitely easier to gate game in HS and blow up newer players in haulers than to be in lower security space where people are prepared to shoot back.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2654 - 2014-08-19 17:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense.

Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims.

Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park.

ENOUGH!

Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining.

F



its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times. Its about the gross imbalance of risk/reward when compared to other activities. Currently the reason suicide ganking is attracting so many people is because of the incredible profits that are possible at extremely negligible costs and without any incentives to go after them. Not to mention its a lot easier to blow up newer players in haulers than to be in lower security space where people are prepared to shoot back.


The risk/reward would be vastly lower if people didn't stuff everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers or autopiloting freighters. The victims themselves are directly responsible for this, in this here computer game.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#2655 - 2014-08-19 17:28:24 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times.


There are no victims of suicide ganking, just willing volunteers.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2656 - 2014-08-19 17:30:48 UTC
Dear 1-day troll alt: If I stuff a shuttle full of PLEX & autopilot it from Amarr to Jita & someone ganks me, who allowed that to happen?

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2657 - 2014-08-19 17:31:11 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense.

Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims.

Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park.

ENOUGH!

Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining.

F



its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times. Its about the gross imbalance of risk/reward when compared to other activities. Currently the reason suicide ganking is attracting so many people is because of the incredible profits that are possible at extremely negligible costs and without any incentives to go after them. Not to mention its a lot easier to blow up newer players in haulers than to be in lower security space where people are prepared to shoot back.


You don't get it, do you? Newer players in haulers aren't where the profit is at. Older players not bothering to freaking observe the lay of the land is where the profit lies. Don't fall back on the 'go to low sec' adage as that one is stale and holds no water. It's not the only pvp means of generating profit in high sec. New players don't fly freighters. If they bought a freighter pilot in the character bazaar that's fine, but in doing so they take on the responsibilities incumbent to the age of the character they purchased. Nobody is going to cut them a break due to them having bought their character. You undock and you are a target, that is EVE.

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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2658 - 2014-08-19 17:36:21 UTC
Like half of the things being cried about are covered in the Law FAQ.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#2659 - 2014-08-19 17:42:40 UTC
Of course they are. Your band of merry murderers got this threadnaught moving in the first place. Good job btw :)

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#2660 - 2014-08-19 18:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
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