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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2441 - 2014-08-10 06:44:42 UTC
Phoenix22 wrote:


It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try



This is the worst kind of thinking. It amounts to "hey soldier (or police officer), no need to were all that kevlar to protect your mid section since you could just get shot in the head so why even bother".

Just because you can't be 100% safe (in game or IRL) doesn't mean you don't take what reasonable measures you can. It's the people who take reasonable measures who tend to live while the "ah **** it , yolo" types end up 6 feet under real fast.
Phoenix22
H.I.D.R.I.A Industries
#2442 - 2014-08-10 09:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix22
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try


Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

It is nearly impossible to kill the fit you are referring to unless you are both really organized and really lucky.


U someone is angry o wait you are the CODE ore Goonswarm P


If it appears that I am angry it is because you posted something of extreme ignorance. But I assure you I am not.

I am neither CODE nor Goon, however, I am someone who ganks indys and knows what can and cant be done.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about so you shouldn't say anything at all as it misleads other weak minded folks like yourself to believe your drivel.



Ok so that mines that you will survive catalyst fleet,Brutix fleet ore Talos fleet ganking you, are you serious, I would like to see this.
O wait you will not get gank do you know why because you are one of them. P
Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#2443 - 2014-08-10 09:34:43 UTC
Noragli wrote:
I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net

I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.

It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.


Supply meets demand perhaps? I don't supprt sg but the increased activity maybe a sign that too many people live in high sec versus low/null/wh.

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Phoenix22
H.I.D.R.I.A Industries
#2444 - 2014-08-10 10:07:28 UTC
Captain Soju wrote:
Noragli wrote:
I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net

I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.

It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.


Supply meets demand perhaps? I don't supprt sg but the increased activity maybe a sign that too many people live in high sec versus low/null/wh.




Of course, but do you know why so many people live in high sec because Goonswarm and the CODE control Low sec and Null sec, and High sec (CODE).
Goonswarm supply CODE with ships and armaments, because Goonswarm has unlimited supply and ISK + the Higesec Trading market, no matter haw meniy people you assemble, Goonswarm will destroy you in mater in min and CODE will make sure that all the supply you got will get gank
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2445 - 2014-08-10 10:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Phoenix22 wrote:
O wait you will not get gank do you know why because you are one of them. P


Code & goonswarm aren't the only groups that gank freighters & haulers. I can think of half a dozen more groups offhand. Also Code gank us as well, so there's that.

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Phoenix22
H.I.D.R.I.A Industries
#2446 - 2014-08-10 10:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix22
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
O wait you will not get gank do you know why because you are one of them. P


Code & goonswarm aren't the only groups that gank freighters & haulers. I can think of half a dozen more groups offhand. Also Code gank us as well, so there's that.


yeah yeah nice try, convince someone else okay Blink
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2447 - 2014-08-10 10:43:02 UTC
Phoenix22 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
O wait you will not get gank do you know why because you are one of them. P


Code & goonswarm aren't the only groups that gank freighters & haulers. I can think of half a dozen more groups offhand. Also Code gank us as well, so there's that.


yeah yeah nice try, convince someone else okay Blink


Ah, yes, you.

Thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten over the course of the evening.

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#2448 - 2014-08-10 10:46:39 UTC
Can I also just say that CODE has nothing to do with lowsec apart from a very occasional kill and neither do goons in any capacity that doesnt involve highend moons.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2449 - 2014-08-10 11:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Phoenix22 wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
...and then fit it with nanofibers. High sec and new eden in general is really safe if you take some basic precautions. And if i have to asplode that is fine, this is a game based on destroying space ships so i don't see where is the issue.


This. I have a freighter on my hauling alt but most of the time, unless I'm hauling battleships and their fits, I limit my trips to smaller loads in a Wreathe.

It's a modular fit, where I can swap cargo expanders for nanos, or vice versa, depending on the size of the load. This is the standard:

[Wreathe, Roosevelt]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

It aligns faster than any hauler I've flown. I do frequent runs to Jita in it, and it has survived two Tornado gank attempts undocking. This thing will tank two volleys from a nado, the third one will kill it (32K ehp). But in Jita, they're only going to have time for one, so unless they're prepared specifically for you with three Tornados, it ain't happening.

I've got similar builds across all industrial types designed specifically with alignment speed as first priority, tank as second, cargo as third. Additionally, you should have prealigned instas on every station you frequent, except Jita. Don't bother having an insta on Jita, just bounce off nearby station. It's fairly easy to align to as long as you're set up for it, and no one expects it. Everyone expects you to use an insta.


It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try


You are an idiot. Pay attention, because I'm only going to say this once more.

It has already helped me TWICE, and it's not the tank so much that saved it as the align speed. So buck up and learn something - you're probably new so you can be forgiven for your ignorance, but you cannot be forgiven for continued willful ignorance and refusing to learn.

I did something here I very rarely do, posted a very good fit and gave up some trade secrets, all in the name of being helpful to hauler pilots. Yet you spit in my ******* face for it? What kind of arsehat does that? Don't be that guy.

I've been hauling on my alt for the two years I've had him and do you know how many times he's been ganked? I'll give you a hint, it's less than one. Do you know how many times people have tried, including CODE.? I'll give you another hint, it's more than one. Way more than one.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2450 - 2014-08-10 11:17:34 UTC
Phoenix22 wrote:
Of course, but do you know why so many people live in high sec because Goonswarm and the CODE control Low sec and Null sec, and High sec (CODE).
Goonswarm supply CODE with ships and armaments, because Goonswarm has unlimited supply and ISK + the Higesec Trading market, no matter haw meniy people you assemble, Goonswarm will destroy you in mater in min and CODE will make sure that all the supply you got will get gank
Does Dinsdale know that you've been snorting his stash?


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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2451 - 2014-08-10 11:21:42 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
Of course, but do you know why so many people live in high sec because Goonswarm and the CODE control Low sec and Null sec, and High sec (CODE).
Goonswarm supply CODE with ships and armaments, because Goonswarm has unlimited supply and ISK + the Higesec Trading market, no matter haw meniy people you assemble, Goonswarm will destroy you in mater in min and CODE will make sure that all the supply you got will get gank
Does Dinsdale know that you've been snorting his stash?




This comment wins GD.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2452 - 2014-08-10 11:23:46 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I did something here I very rarely do, posted a very good fit and gave up some trade secrets, all in the name of being helpful to hauler pilots. Yet you spit in my ******* face for it? What kind of arsehat does that? Don't be that guy.

I've been hauling on my alt for the two years I've had him and do you know how many times he's been ganked? I'll give you a hint, it's less than one. Do you know how many times people have tried, including CODE.? I'll give you another hint, it's more than one. Way more than one.
I've got a similar fit for the Nereus, it's about 0.5 seconds slower to align, but packs around 12k more EHP. It's saved my arse a couple of times.
[Nereus, Wide Girth]

2x Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Damage Control II
2x Expanded Cargohold II
2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

3x Warrior II
3x Hobgoblin II

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2453 - 2014-08-10 11:27:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I did something here I very rarely do, posted a very good fit and gave up some trade secrets, all in the name of being helpful to hauler pilots. Yet you spit in my ******* face for it? What kind of arsehat does that? Don't be that guy.

I've been hauling on my alt for the two years I've had him and do you know how many times he's been ganked? I'll give you a hint, it's less than one. Do you know how many times people have tried, including CODE.? I'll give you another hint, it's more than one. Way more than one.
I've got a similar fit for the Nereus, it's about 0.5 seconds slower to align, but packs around 12k more EHP. It's saved my arse a couple of times.
[Nereus, Wide Girth]

2x Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Damage Control II
2x Expanded Cargohold II
2x Nanofiber Internal Structure II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

3x Warrior II
3x Hobgoblin II


Seriously, use the T2 shield rigs, I'm not kidding, they are worth the extra dough. Put them on in EFT and watch your EHP go even higher.

The Nereus is exceptional for tanking, yes, but I do prefer the Wreathe simply because of its alignment speediness. That, I think, is more important when running gate or station gankers, and it can still tank the limited firepower they'll be able to get off on you while you're aligning, if any.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2454 - 2014-08-10 11:44:13 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Seriously, use the T2 shield rigs, I'm not kidding, they are worth the extra dough. Put them on in EFT and watch your EHP go even higher.

The Nereus is exceptional for tanking, yes, but I do prefer the Wreathe simply because of its alignment speediness. That, I think, is more important when running gate or station gankers, and it can still tank the limited firepower they'll be able to get off on you while you're aligning, if any.
lol I would, but I'm a cheapskate P

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2455 - 2014-08-10 11:56:30 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
Of course, but do you know why so many people live in high sec because Goonswarm and the CODE control Low sec and Null sec, and High sec (CODE).
Goonswarm supply CODE with ships and armaments, because Goonswarm has unlimited supply and ISK + the Higesec Trading market, no matter haw meniy people you assemble, Goonswarm will destroy you in mater in min and CODE will make sure that all the supply you got will get gank
Does Dinsdale know that you've been snorting his stash?




Well, I have to change shirts now, I got coffee all over this one.

Bravo, old friend.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#2456 - 2014-08-10 15:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
admiral root wrote:
You mis-understand. It's high security space so I should get instant protection from Concord.


CONCORD is the police of the game (no political rantings about IRL police please, you get the point I am making).

The police show up after someone is shot. Not as the person fires the gun.

One thing I think would be interesting is if security status of high sec systems changed based on the number of ganks. More suicide gankers means the system's status could change from 0.7 to 0.8. Less ganks means a system could change from 0.8 to 0.7 (and let's keep the same number of 0.7's, 0.8's, so if a 0.7 status moves up, another system's status has to decrease) Think of it as CONCORD moving resources to areas where they are more needed.

It could be very fun if Jita moves to 0.5 for a while Big smile
Paranoid Loyd
#2457 - 2014-08-10 15:41:10 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
admiral root wrote:
You mis-understand. It's high security space so I should get instant protection from Concord.


CONCORD is the police of the game (no political rantings about IRL police please, you get the point I am making).

The police show up after someone is shot. Not as the person fires the gun.

One thing I think would be interesting is if security status of high sec systems changed based on the number of ganks. More suicide gankers means the system's status could change from 0.7 to 0.8. Less ganks means a system could change from 0.8 to 0.7 (and let's keep the same number of 0.7's, 0.8's, so if a 0.7 status moves up, another system's status has to decrease) Think of it as CONCORD moving resources to areas where they are more needed.

It could be very fun if Jita moves to 0.5 for a while Big smile

One must read and understand all of the context, lest he make himself look foolish.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#2458 - 2014-08-10 15:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
admiral root wrote:
You mis-understand. It's high security space so I should get instant protection from Concord.


CONCORD is the police of the game (no political rantings about IRL police please, you get the point I am making).

The police show up after someone is shot. Not as the person fires the gun.

One thing I think would be interesting is if security status of high sec systems changed based on the number of ganks. More suicide gankers means the system's status could change from 0.7 to 0.8. Less ganks means a system could change from 0.8 to 0.7 (and let's keep the same number of 0.7's, 0.8's, so if a 0.7 status moves up, another system's status has to decrease) Think of it as CONCORD moving resources to areas where they are more needed.

It could be very fun if Jita moves to 0.5 for a while Big smile

One must read and understand all of the context, lest he make himself look foolish.


I used that as an excuse for a shameless plug of my variable high-sec security status idea. I know I was out of context.

I would love to wake up one day and find Jita is 0.5 and one of the bigger choke points went from 0.5 to 1, just to add some more excitement to high sec.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2459 - 2014-08-10 16:41:50 UTC
Phoenix22 wrote:
Ok so that mines that you will survive catalyst fleet,Brutix fleet ore Talos fleet ganking you, are you serious, I would like to see this.
O wait you will not get gank do you know why because you are one of them. P

I've been known to sniff a lot of Arkonor in my time, but even I don't talk like this..

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Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2460 - 2014-08-10 21:37:22 UTC
123 pages of people talking past each other.


Awesome.