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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Iain Cariaba
#2341 - 2014-08-03 16:56:25 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Christina Project wrote:

Long whine
Ignorant reply


Sol is a ganker. He just for some reason thinks he is better than all the other gankers.

I'm not a ganker, and after 117 pages it gets kinda hard to differentiate who's who when I'm posting using my phone at work. Beyond my comments being tossed at the wrong target, they're still valid comments.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2342 - 2014-08-03 16:59:42 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

I'm not a ganker, and after 117 pages it gets kinda hard to differentiate who's who when I'm posting using my phone at work. Beyond my comments being tossed at the wrong target, they're still valid comments.
Agreed, the comments are valid, just aimed in the wrong direction.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#2343 - 2014-08-03 19:51:29 UTC
Everybody is a ganker they just don't know it yet or have not yet had a reason to do it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#2344 - 2014-08-03 19:53:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I have good memories of being stationed in Turkey and having that experience exactly as described - with Turkish Tuborg.
Tuborg Gold or Tuborg Kirmizi?


Eh, I would prefer "Efes Pilsen" Cool

Iain Cariaba wrote:
Thousands of haulers/miners a day successfully undock, go about their business, make isk, and safely redock. They do this by taking responsibility for their own safety. They read guides on how to make themselves less of a ganking target, and unlike you, they put those methods into practice.

This! +1

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

Anti-Ganking Fun: www.gankerjamming.com
Umbutu Perez
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2345 - 2014-08-04 06:43:02 UTC
Azov Rassau wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I have good memories of being stationed in Turkey and having that experience exactly as described - with Turkish Tuborg.
Tuborg Gold or Tuborg Kirmizi?


Eh, I would prefer "Efes Pilsen" Cool

Iain Cariaba wrote:
Thousands of haulers/miners a day successfully undock, go about their business, make isk, and safely redock. They do this by taking responsibility for their own safety. They read guides on how to make themselves less of a ganking target, and unlike you, they put those methods into practice.

This! +1



Ok.. yea I'm posting on an alt because I simply do not want the in game attention.

Do I think the ganking goes too far? Yes I do. Do I think changes need to be made? Probably. Can I live with things as they are? Yes.

Look there's no perfect game. Every one I've played has something distasteful about it. High sec ganking is distastful (at least to the pilots who lose these expensive ships).

But the fact of the matter may be that the current balance gank/anti gank may be just perfect to make a few things happen:

1. More people flying freighters (a capital ship) will consider low sec or 0.0 space as a home.

2. The ganking keeps a lot of freighter pilots out of major trade hubs (that might be good). Speaking for myself I do business in smaller trade hubs. You make less money- but your 6 billion isk ship is usually safer.

3. It fosters co-operation between players (and creates alt accounts). And if you are flying a freighter without a webbing escort you deserve what you get. Seriously.

Personally my characters live in either low sec/high sec edge space or 0.0. Ganking is not an issue in these areas. We don't even see miners harassed- they fit tanks and watch local. Or fit for speed- and watch local.

While I really have a distaste for the tactics of the gankers (to me it's an exploit- the punishment needs to be commensurate with the crime. And it's not). I happily applaud EVERY SINGLE GANK of an autopilot freighter. They should remove autopilot from the game....

It amazes me.... on a run into a medium or small trade hub... how many auto piloting freighters I see. I bet this week alone I've seen a total over 50.

If you cannot sit and pilot your freighter, webbing alt (or corpmate) at your side, slowly plodding through New Eden..... and enjoy it. Maybe you ought to do something in EVE that holds your interest? The number of freighters killed who had even ONE escort is amazingly small compared to the carnage that is the AFK transport/freighter captain.

If you do not actually like evasion, scouting, and transporting things- sell the freighter and the transports... go play shoot em up. You do not have what it takes to run trade routes..

Those of us who have been playing this game from the beginning, get a little tired of the whines of pilots who just want things given to you. Sorry, you cannot take a 50 million courier contract and just autopilot your way to the money. You should probably earn it. You should probably learn your trade.

There was a time when we mined in cruisers. There was a time when there were no transports. No freighters. And we still had big stuff to move. With cruisers, flimsy industrials- with no warp to zero. The kill zone wasn't decloaking and warping. It was landing 15km from the gate and having to run an afterburner on an Iteron V to get to the gate, under fire, before your structure failed.

So while I think the gank factor has really risen to too high a level and needs a minor nerf. I do not object to the harassment of AFK pilots.

Learn your trade.

Those of us who actually run freighters and transports for a living are laughing at you. And we do it at the keyboard.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2346 - 2014-08-04 12:37:21 UTC
Umbutu Perez wrote:


Look there's no perfect game. Every one I've played has something distasteful about it. High sec ganking is distastful (at least to the pilots who lose these expensive ships).


No it's not. If it was they'd take their loss as a lesson against flying such ships in a way that is dangerous. They'd take precautions, find new routes, use smaller faster ships to haul, contract out hauls, fit properly etc etc.

A few years ago I had a friend (we met during faction warfare) who got his navy raven ganked in motsu. He was ticked off completely, had convo'd me to say his good byes because he was leaving the game. I asked him to show me his kill mail, low and behold 3.5 billion isk worth of Navy Raven (and I mean 3.5 bil in 2010 isk, not this pitiful 2014 isk lol).

Worst thing is that his fit was worse than my fit and i spent a fraction of the isk on mine, and I told him so. He went on and on about it wasn't right, it wasn't fair.

So I asked him "what would you expect to happen to you if you waled around the worst neighborhood in your country in a suit made of money with a sign on your back saying 'it's all right to kick my ass for this cash' lol???" He replied something like "I'd expect to be naked with a sore backside very quickly hehe". Then i told him that was exactly what he did, EVE is a bad neighborhood, you choose to be victor or victim.

Eventually he laughed it all off and from time to time we still mission together, though I watch d-scan when i'm with him because now he missions in a Barghest lol (he promises that the fit is 'reasonable' lol. CCP should give me a medal, I saved them from losing 15 bux a month in subs over the last 4 years.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2347 - 2014-08-04 12:38:46 UTC
Friends don't let friends fly bling.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2348 - 2014-08-04 15:05:36 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Friends don't let friends fly bling.

I see this often, but rarely do I see it defined. What would you call bling? I avoid officer mods like the plague, but some deadspace mods just give incredible benefits for their relatively low cost, depending upon the setup.
Personally, I'm not a fan of investing more than 100% of a hull's cost into it's fit, unless we're talking frigates obviously (because then you'd just be rolling around with meta1 damnneareverything).
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2349 - 2014-08-04 15:16:03 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Friends don't let friends fly bling.

I see this often, but rarely do I see it defined. What would you call bling? I avoid officer mods like the plague, but some deadspace mods just give incredible benefits for their relatively low cost, depending upon the setup.
Personally, I'm not a fan of investing more than 100% of a hull's cost into it's fit, unless we're talking frigates obviously (because then you'd just be rolling around with meta1 damnneareverything).



depends ... if the officer mod is a couple hundred million (and it's one mod) ... it can go either way (depends on the ship, purpose, where you live, how much ISK you have to throw around, etc).


if it's 7 billion ISK for the mod, and you have 8 of them ... with a godawful "anti-serpentis" tank, because you want to AFK missions in Gallente space ... you're playing with a timebomb.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2350 - 2014-08-04 15:42:31 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
What would you call bling?


If someone can reasonably expect to recoup their losses by killing you, then that's too much bling.

Note, that it's pretty easy to not do this. You can even use a whole pile of deadspace mods without being profitable to kill. But if you're approaching or exceeding the cost of your hull with one or more modules then it's not "if", but "when" you get ganked, unless you are the King of Instas.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Grim Hood
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2351 - 2014-08-04 16:52:18 UTC
500 freighters should be destroyed in response to this threads creation and longevity.
Paranoid Loyd
#2352 - 2014-08-04 17:00:28 UTC
Grim Hood wrote:
500 freighters should be destroyed in response to this threads creation and longevity.


I've been wondering how you achieved a sex change?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2353 - 2014-08-04 17:48:50 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Grim Hood wrote:
500 freighters should be destroyed in response to this threads creation and longevity.


I've been wondering how you achieved a sex change?


Linked pilot's in Doomheim (i.e. got biomassed, so the name got freed up).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Grim Hood
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2354 - 2014-08-04 17:57:08 UTC
That explains why I have always felt like an old bald dude in the body of a woman.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2355 - 2014-08-04 18:17:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
What would you call bling?


If someone can reasonably expect to recoup their losses by killing you, then that's too much bling.

Note, that it's pretty easy to not do this. You can even use a whole pile of deadspace mods without being profitable to kill. But if you're approaching or exceeding the cost of your hull with one or more modules then it's not "if", but "when" you get ganked, unless you are the King of Instas.

Fair enough. I expected that to be the case, but as I said, I have seen lots of use of the word, with very little description of substance to support it.
As I previously mentioned, I've never been one for "zomg purplez" anyway, but I wanted at least one justification of the term.
Thanks for that. o7
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2356 - 2014-08-04 20:02:57 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
So you say the real issue is that we are so damn good at it that you are completely helpless with the current tools available to you is that what you are saying?

Nope.

Your whole post stinks of manipulation.



You are not good at it.


You lack skills.


You need alts.


Most of you can only really gank in the group,
which reduces you to button-pushers,
just like the carebears in nullsec.

There's a really high chance that a good part of you is exactly that, too! :D

Without the group, you'd be NOTHING! :D

And without the group behind you on the forums,
you probably wouldn't even dare to speak up! :D



Keep going! :D

With every word you say,
you're helping me in the long run! :D

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Samantha Floyd
Doomheim
#2357 - 2014-08-04 20:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Samantha Floyd
Yesterday I hauled ~36 billion ISK across New Eden.
3 trips of ~12 billion ISK.

I encountered a bump Machariel on 4 separate occasions during the trips. Each time they attempted to bump my freighter. Each time I escaped.

Suicide ganking is not the problem. It is in fact the opposite. Web warping freighters is a problem. It makes it so the gankers have a near 0% chance of catching the freighter. They cannot remove it though. It's the only way to logically take a freighter through low-sec.
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2358 - 2014-08-04 20:05:51 UTC
"carebears in nullsec" ... aka nullbears ... aka fleetbears ...

... who one can see in every bigger entity.


No skill and always needing an FC.


Button-Pushers! :D

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#2359 - 2014-08-04 20:06:49 UTC
Samantha Floyd wrote:
Yesterday I hauled ~36 billion ISK across New Eden.
3 trips of ~12 billion ISK.

I encountered a bump Machariel on 4 separate occasions during the trips. Each time they attempted to bump my freighter. Each time I escaped.

Suicide ganking is not the problem. It is in fact the opposite. Web warping freighters is a problem. It makes it so the gankers have a near 0% chance of catching the freighter.

And you are so horribly ugly that there is no way someone can miss that you're a troll! :D


Great face though, seriously! :D
I love the colors! :D

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2360 - 2014-08-04 20:30:57 UTC
they won't :D
realise i'm :D
tearing up :D
as long :D
as i keep :D
typing smilies :D