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EVE has a problem with its reputation. What can or should be done?

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#181 - 2014-07-15 05:00:56 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I want my transparent Gallente dresses back plz.

Yeah. I'd wear one of those.


Um, well not on this character. Blink Ok, I'll get my coat on the way out. Hope it isn't see through too.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#182 - 2014-07-15 05:19:35 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:


It's not that CCP has given the Asylum keys to the patients, well maybe it is exactly like that, but that was probably not the original intent. But it is what we have now, and new players are more and more likely to be victims since the demographic is prone to unbalance in the side of predators and not to the builders/explorers.


EVE was designed to be a cold dark place and since then the sheer layering on of compromises to suit people who don't or won't accept that has bent the vision pretty badly if you can no longer see it at all.

In any case EVE has proven one thing, the only good solution to pve item flooding is not treadmilling new content, it's rampant object destruction.

Everything you value in this game is valued because of the risk of acquisition or loss. Incursion fittings and ships particularly.
Naburi NasNaburi
Doomheim
#183 - 2014-07-15 05:40:31 UTC
EVE is perfect the way it is .. we dont need a *all nice superhero fluffy puff reputation* here.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#184 - 2014-07-15 06:28:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
You see that as a problem OP, I see it as EVE working as intended, weeding out the weak minded "I am a hero!!!" type gamers who wouldn't like EVE anyway, even beofre they try (and fail at) the game. That's most of the gaming world, hell, it's most of humanity.



Yep. CCP doesn't need their money.

Anyone seen a legit subscriber count in a while? No? Didn't CCP brag, errr, publish that number every year?



CCP never needed 'their' money, they need money from people who would actually like EVE. CCP could do a better job at reaching out to such people, probably at prisons and biker bars.


That money doesn't exist.

I have seen all these arguments before with SWG. That game shows that the fabled bigger playerbase does not exist and ripping out the core of a game only results in that game losing its current player base and going belly up.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2014-07-15 06:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
baltec1 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
You see that as a problem OP, I see it as EVE working as intended, weeding out the weak minded "I am a hero!!!" type gamers who wouldn't like EVE anyway, even beofre they try (and fail at) the game. That's most of the gaming world, hell, it's most of humanity.



Yep. CCP doesn't need their money.

Anyone seen a legit subscriber count in a while? No? Didn't CCP brag, errr, publish that number every year?



CCP never needed 'their' money, they need money from people who would actually like EVE. CCP could do a better job at reaching out to such people, probably at prisons and biker bars.


That money doesn't exist.

I have seen all these arguments before with SWG. That game shows that the fabled bigger playerbase does not exist and ripping out the core of a game only results in that game losing its current player base and going belly up.


Exactly this. I went over how intended audiences work on another thread. For every intended audience, there's an unintended audience that will try it out anyway. Some will become the intended audience by virtue of enjoying what they're trying and adapting to it, but many of the unintended audience will quit. EVE's reputation is attractive to its intended audience, and its intended audience are the ones who develop passion for the game, ergo, the unintended audience who might find this reputation to be a put-off was never gonna stick around anyway, in which case, the reputation is doing us all a huge favour by driving away the players who won't develop said passion and contribute nothing to the EVE community dynamic anyway, except their butthurt tears.

Additionally, for every intended audience that's already playing the game, there is always a potential intended audience that just haven't tried it yet. If you think EVE's subs aren't growing, and these threads pop up the same time every year, right around summer when most people are doing stuff other than playing video games, then you are confused. You are basing your conclusion on a single data set that is not representative of the whole. It's like saying, "jeez, it must always be this hot around here because that's what it is right now at midday in the middle of summer."

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Myxx
The Scope
#186 - 2014-07-15 06:38:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
You see that as a problem OP, I see it as EVE working as intended, weeding out the weak minded "I am a hero!!!" type gamers who wouldn't like EVE anyway, even beofre they try (and fail at) the game. That's most of the gaming world, hell, it's most of humanity.



Yep. CCP doesn't need their money.

Anyone seen a legit subscriber count in a while? No? Didn't CCP brag, errr, publish that number every year?



CCP never needed 'their' money, they need money from people who would actually like EVE. CCP could do a better job at reaching out to such people, probably at prisons and biker bars.


That money doesn't exist.

I have seen all these arguments before with SWG. That game shows that the fabled bigger playerbase does not exist and ripping out the core of a game only results in that game losing its current player base and going belly up.

You're right. EVE is on the path that it is. Can't turn back at this point. Hence why I'm not suggesting a 180 turn like with Galaxies.

What I am saying is: people that play EVE should probably work on being a nicer kind of ******* to one another.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2014-07-15 06:40:20 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Guttripper wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
CCP never needed 'their' money, they need money from people who would actually like EVE. CCP could do a better job at reaching out to such people, probably at prisons and biker bars.

In hindsight, I wonder what kind of game Eve would be today if the original ambiance and intended lore stayed with the game instead of being phased out. That is, the transportation and usage of drugs in high sec space, finding "prostitutes", and other aspects found in the old Chronicles brought forth into the game. But instead, we now have a warning label on the opening screen, the dark and seedy side of the game is basically removed, and CCP keeps attempting to dumb the game down to attract a lower and lower denominator since things like industry and new player experiences are just too rough for newbies now-a-days.



I want my transparent Gallente dresses back plz.



translucent

translucent > transparent


watch Star Trek
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2014-07-15 06:41:08 UTC
Myxx wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
You see that as a problem OP, I see it as EVE working as intended, weeding out the weak minded "I am a hero!!!" type gamers who wouldn't like EVE anyway, even beofre they try (and fail at) the game. That's most of the gaming world, hell, it's most of humanity.



Yep. CCP doesn't need their money.

Anyone seen a legit subscriber count in a while? No? Didn't CCP brag, errr, publish that number every year?



CCP never needed 'their' money, they need money from people who would actually like EVE. CCP could do a better job at reaching out to such people, probably at prisons and biker bars.


That money doesn't exist.

I have seen all these arguments before with SWG. That game shows that the fabled bigger playerbase does not exist and ripping out the core of a game only results in that game losing its current player base and going belly up.

You're right. EVE is on the path that it is. Can't turn back at this point. Hence why I'm not suggesting a 180 turn like with Galaxies.

What I am saying is: people that play EVE should probably work on being a nicer kind of ******* to one another.


We're very nice to one another. Until someone starts getting overly rambunctious and starts taking gameplay personally.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#189 - 2014-07-15 06:43:45 UTC
Myxx wrote:

You're right. EVE is on the path that it is. Can't turn back at this point. Hence why I'm not suggesting a 180 turn like with Galaxies.

What I am saying is: people that play EVE should probably work on being a nicer kind of ******* to one another.


Sure, the second they stop spewing death threats and sexual insults in local when someone uses the "P word".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#190 - 2014-07-15 06:53:21 UTC
Eve has a problem with its reputation....

Seriously?

EVE is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community.

Shunned by the Ignorati, the emotionally stunted, and vapid pink clad bimbettes, she doesn't give a ****, because as she sashays down the corridors of the gaming community singing to a tune only she understands, she knows that with a look and a crooked smile, she could own them all heart and eternal soul.





Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#191 - 2014-07-15 06:54:11 UTC
Posting in a stealth "I'm an Alpha Nerd because I play EVE" thread.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#192 - 2014-07-15 06:56:01 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Myxx wrote:

You're right. EVE is on the path that it is. Can't turn back at this point. Hence why I'm not suggesting a 180 turn like with Galaxies.

What I am saying is: people that play EVE should probably work on being a nicer kind of ******* to one another.


Sure, the second they stop spewing death threats and sexual insults in local when someone uses the "P word".


Nah, that adds flavour. I awoxed a bunch of Orca's one night & the husband/wife combo that ran the corp accussed me of raping their daughter irl. You just don't get that level of crazy anywhere else.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2014-07-15 07:04:51 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
Eve has a problem with its reputation....

Seriously?

EVE is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community.

Shunned by the Ignorati, the emotionally stunted, and vapid pink clad bimbettes, she doesn't give a ****, because as she sashays down the corridors of the gaming community singing to a tune only she understands, she knows that with a look and a crooked smile, she could own them all heart and eternal soul.







This guy gets it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#194 - 2014-07-15 07:07:36 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Myxx wrote:

You're right. EVE is on the path that it is. Can't turn back at this point. Hence why I'm not suggesting a 180 turn like with Galaxies.

What I am saying is: people that play EVE should probably work on being a nicer kind of ******* to one another.


Sure, the second they stop spewing death threats and sexual insults in local when someone uses the "P word".


Nah, that adds flavour. I awoxed a bunch of Orca's one night & the husband/wife combo that ran the corp accussed me of raping their daughter irl. You just don't get that level of crazy anywhere else.


Oh, I don't exactly mind their ranting, but of late it's taken on an irl level that bothers me. I've been doxxed in the past, and pretty badly, so the irl stuff rubs me the wrong way.

Of course, that just motivates me to ramp it up once they start. Pretty sure the last guy won't be forgetting me for a while. I stole a plex from their corp hangar(seriously, who puts those in there?), a bunch of skillbooks and about 200 million units of trit, which I destroyed. Although I bet the next time he makes a corp he won't set corp shares to public.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#195 - 2014-07-15 07:12:17 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
EvE's reputation is one of its biggest, if not the biggest, selling point


This.

There are millions of players who love to play "politically correct", traditional style, sword and board games.

Then there's the only MMO that caters to "the others", that takes its pride at being different.

Not by random chance, the MMOs catering to the former are all flattened around FEW titles, one of which still holding strong and killing the imitations. The MMO catering to the latter has no relevant competition and actually survives despite its age and flaws also because of that.


So, make EvE switch sides and become "like all the others" and it will fail like most of the others, it'll lose many years loyal players who don't identify themselves with the major numbers while not attracting enough of the traditional players (who don't even care about space sci fi).

EvE can either die a quick death by flipping sides, or slowly age and fade by staying true.
Emination of Haxti
Descendant Command
#196 - 2014-07-15 08:18:42 UTC
All the reputation issues stem from hi sec, the home of the douchebags and ****** mechanics.

Solution: remove hisec.

Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#197 - 2014-07-15 08:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiryen O'Bannon
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
And Kaarous Aldurald get rid of the persecution complex, this dynamic does lend itself to balance, if the game gets to many predators and not enough prey, just like in all habitats, the predators die off with no food to eat and the prey repopulates in relative saftey.


The person who has posted all about the "society of takers" ruining the game for all the "victims" doesn't get to tell anyone else that they have a persecution complex.

You're quite literally acting one out right now for us.

I mean, if things were in any way what you were describing, where we're over hunting our prey, you'd think we would end up with less ALODs, less afk miners, and less autopiloting freighers. Instead of more. There are so many people out there worth killing that I couldn't even clean out Molden Heath if I had a CONCORD battleship. You guys literally choke the spacelanes in some systems *cough Jita* and you think there are "too many predators"?


Maybe if you actually understood how many predators can be supported by a prey population you wouldn't be on the forums so much, spewing this hogwash. The determination of highsec predators to destroy their own playstyle is phenomenal.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.

Anthar Thebess
#198 - 2014-07-15 08:30:47 UTC
EVE is not WOW
Don't try to make one from it.

Yes eve have it issues - but mostly to some outdated mechanics, or bad logic while introducing some stuff .
One of the best things in eve is this sandbox - eve is different game.

You can be robbed, back stabbed, scammed in the real life - kids needs to learn how to do it properly somewhere.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#199 - 2014-07-15 09:04:53 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:


Maybe if you actually understood how many predators can be supported by a prey population you wouldn't be on the forums so much, spewing this hogwash. The determination of highsec predators to destroy their own playstyle is phenomenal.


oh for gods sake.

CODE has spent nearly 350B isk on being CODE, and probably killed twice that amount, making a literal 1T of market space for players to provide goods to without flooding the market or ruining its prices.

if you wanted to look in the face of players "caring" for the game, that's where you need to look.

If you want a nullsec example, PL is not part of the CFC, for the obvious reason that would be the literal end of nullsec.




Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#200 - 2014-07-15 09:24:07 UTC
Strangely, there is not one person in my social circle (of the people who play games) who have been turned off by EvE's reputation. Granted, only a few have gave it a go, but most cite not having the time available to give it the go they feel it would deserve (we are all at an age when life limits gaming time).

One friend has occasionally expressed "displeasure" at certain antics I've been involved in Twisted, but he is one of the few who did give it a go anyway (he left due to the fact he’s an avid PVE player, and well, EvE’s missioning system did for him). The vast majority of my friends make a point of asking about the latest events, and find the nefarious activities as thrilling as the war stories.

I put this down to the fact we are all mid-to-late thirties, and brought up on computer games where completion wasn’t guaranteed, and bashing your head against an impossible-difficulty boss was commonplace, and a game isn’t worth playing if its not punishingly difficult (most of them are the kind of guys who would balk at playing Diablo on a non-permadeath setting, and wouldn’t consider playing X-com on anything other than Ironman mode). This is the sort of demographic EvE cries out to.