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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1001 - 2014-06-26 23:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Aalysia Valkeiper
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

Sorry, I really don't want to buy you a skiff. Can you please not beg on these forums?


I can buy it myself.
I didn't because I don't want it... yet.

I've only flown retreivers and macks up to now because my mining system (prior to Kronos) worked well with them. At this time, I have Ventures, retrievers, Mackinaws, and Orcas waiting in all four empires for my newest character to train up to them..

Looks like I may have to test the other exhumers and barges to see if they are any good, now. The timing in my system works very well with 2 lasers or strip miners, but I should have to test the single-mount and triple-mount vessels now.

BTW. I knew the Venture could use weapons. the example earlier was for the venture simply because I could slap it together quickly as I was typing. Combat rigs to arm barges and exhumers would take much more thought, but the venture was a decent example of the process.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1002 - 2014-06-27 02:22:23 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
How is it that my hauler has flown freighters endlessly back and forth across high-sec for years and NEVER once been ganked? I think this really honestly comes down to PEBCAK* in a vast majority of these ganks. It's really far too easy to avoid these sorts of engagements currently, and if you cannot or will not, well then that is your problem.

* Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard.
I'd buy that were it not for incidents like Aufey or burn Jita. Those special occasions where typical common sense and the things that keep you off the killboard 99 times out of 100 just don't work out because someone wants to make your day just a bit more special.

Of course others may just consider that to be the complacency of highsec, and that every freighter should always travel with a full complement of scout, webbers, ECM and other countergank support (Yea hyperbole!), but until the level of activity in those incidents becomes the norm, or even just slightly more common/widespread can you blame them?

And aside from paying the extortion fee, do you think your normal prep would have gotten you through Aufay?


I think a better question would be... If a capsuleer is aware of places like Aufay and incidents like Burn Jita, yet they still choose to go there; what room is there for complaint after the fact when prior knowledge of adverse conditions wasn't enough to calculate a different route?



Why was this thought of yours (ie, if Jita and Aufay are problems, avoid Jita and Aufay) so easy for you and so bloody impossible for others to grasp lol? I've been flying a Mach (fit to survive) in Osmon for a long time and have used it in Lanngisi and Apanake and haven't been ganked or even faced an attempt. Yet others were getting popped all the time because of their own stupidity, and comlplaining about it loudly in local and on forums.

When the ganker alts scan my mission mach, they find a fit not quite worth ganking, a Damage Control, ECM drones, a micro jump drive, and a neut. I surmise that more than one ganker has scanned my fit and said "ah, **** that" lol.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1003 - 2014-06-27 03:32:08 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.

There's space for us all in New Eden.



Some just want to watch it burn - others have the initiative to set it on fire themselves.

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Solace Project
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1004 - 2014-06-27 05:02:59 UTC
This thread just surpassed his 1000th, seemingly legitimate, post.



Congratulations! :D
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1005 - 2014-06-27 06:19:50 UTC
Solace Project wrote:
This thread just surpassed his 1000th, seemingly legitimate, post.

But do we have an answer to the thread title yet?

On to the next 1000.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1006 - 2014-06-27 06:20:54 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Solace Project wrote:
This thread just surpassed his 1000th, seemingly legitimate, post.

But do we have an answer to the thread title yet?



Yes: No.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1007 - 2014-06-27 07:05:37 UTC
Noragli wrote:
When a character who has aggressed concord undocks or boards a ship, his ship is barred from warping. If concord can do that, then there is no reason the same can't be applied to an outlaw who undocks or boards a ship in high security space. He should be barred from warping or activating weapons.
CONCORD doesn't care if you're an outlaw. They maintain a strict but very simple order. Nobody violates it because everyone receives the correct response to their actions. The system never fails. There is nothing for CONCORD to resent about anyone.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#1008 - 2014-06-27 09:06:49 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Noragli wrote:
When a character who has aggressed concord undocks or boards a ship, his ship is barred from warping. If concord can do that, then there is no reason the same can't be applied to an outlaw who undocks or boards a ship in high security space. He should be barred from warping or activating weapons.
CONCORD doesn't care if you're an outlaw. They maintain a strict but very simple order. Nobody violates it because everyone receives the correct response to their actions. The system never fails. There is nothing for CONCORD to resent about anyone.



And for you lore nerds, here's some LOLlore reasons for faction/concord behaviour towards outlaws.


Podders are amazingly useful to the empires. Even when you commit mass atrocity against a faction, they STILL leave you an "out" to get back in good graces (faction repair plans). We're a deniable resource for the empires to use to deal with dirty issues. "Damn those pod pilots who just happened to destroy that opposing faction's listening post in our territory!" No smart government would want to cut itself totally off from a resource like that.

Second point, for the most part, the empires really don't care about the "industrial" pilots. The vast, vast majority of industrial work is for other pod pilots. It doesn't benefit the empires all that much, when Miner X strips out an asteroid belt, refines it, and sells it to manufacturer Y to turn into ships to sell to Podder Z. Sure, they get some piddling taxes out of the deal, but overall, not much benefit. Why should the factions devote more than a token resource chasing outlaws in that case? They risk pissing off people who can help them with the above noted "issues", all for a group of people who really aren't contributing to the faction's well-being.

CONCORD really doesn't want to mess with us overmuch either re:lore, because they don't want to risk getting smashed. Concord DID get taken out for quite a while by a NON capsuleer fleet...imagine what a fleet of pissed off podders would do!

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1009 - 2014-06-27 09:26:40 UTC
8 years ago when I first ventured into this game - there was one of these threads. Adapt or Die.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1010 - 2014-06-27 14:41:30 UTC
Thomas Mayaki wrote:


Fitting a tank costs yield. It would seem that the gankers are either too lazy or slow to keep up with the miners replacing their ships.
In my experience of gankers is that they are too lazy. They spend the majority of their time sitting in stations waffling on how they are going to get you but never do.

Eg of New order waffle

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DJentropy Ovaert has added you as contact with Terrible Standing

*Red Pen Violation - Gank on sight, 3x permit cost*



LOL!

You know why you were added to my Red Pen list - and perhaps at some point I will decided to engage you in some PVP, perhaps I will not. As a general rule of thumb, I don't allow my targets to have input on when or how I conduct operations - and I am sure you understand why :-)

If you really think that during times that I am sitting in a station is due to some serious strategic planning or intense problems with finding a target and making it work - you are really overthinking things :) Chances are I am either chatting with people, answering a metric ton of evemail, waiting out a GCC, or just enjoying some classic ship spinning and shiptoasting :) You seem to think that you are something unique that stands out enough to deserve more attention then the group I have you placed in - miners who, for some reason, must pay me 30million for a permit and who, if I am presented with two targets that I am able to destroy at that moment, I will probably decide to shoot first.

A primary mistake of many EVE players is to assume that simply due to being a target of a specific player, that every single action that player takes somehow has something to do with them. I assure you, it does not. I can also assure you that I have plenty of people who, for various reasons, I would prefer to shoot more then I would prefer to shoot an unknown player - but do I spend time hunting them down or moving an entire operation many jumps to find them? No. I use the services of a location agent on average probably once or twice a month :-)

So, in closing - what you phrase as "waffling", perhaps the reality is that you simply don't make enough of an impact for me to change my plans at all.
Aalysia Valkeiper
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1011 - 2014-06-28 06:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aalysia Valkeiper
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
[quote=Thomas Mayaki]
A primary mistake of many EVE players is to assume that simply due to being a target of a specific player, that every single action that player takes somehow has something to do with them. I assure you, it does not. I can also assure you that I have plenty of people who, for various reasons, I would prefer to shoot more then I would prefer to shoot an unknown player - but do I spend time hunting them down or moving an entire operation many jumps to find them? No. I use the services of a location agent on average probably once or twice a month :-)

So, in closing - what you phrase as "waffling", perhaps the reality is that you simply don't make enough of an impact for me to change my plans at all.


This is the primary reason I don't worry about gankers even though I rig a Retriever or Machinaw for maximum vield and consider defense AFTER that.

The best defense against Ganking is being where the ganker isn't. Watch for the ganker as you mine and you cut loses much more than any fit can. Occasionally, a ganker is sneaky enough to get on me before I know he's coming, but a simple move after that and I am again making isk. I will soon make up whatever the ship I lost cost.

I have lost 3 Ventures, 9 Retrievers, and 4 Mackinaws to gankers in just over a year, but I have also made enough isk (just mining in high sec) to buy more than 100 ships up to and including orcas and battleships and STILL have 4 billion isk left over.

Other players have more ships and more ships, but they likely have played longer, spent most of that time in low or null space, and most likely play exclusively in a supportive corps. I didn't have the choice of finding a good corps (kept getting abused by the ones I joined) .

MY reality is I enjoy the game MOST as a solo miner in high sec . I get abused and shafted each time I try different. I am satisfied with what I have achieved on my own. I will be pushing to do more... dispite gankers and others who think PvP should reign alone in EvE.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1012 - 2014-06-28 07:14:08 UTC
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
. dispite gankers and others who think PvP should reign alone in EvE.


We don't think this.
Solecist Project
#1013 - 2014-06-28 07:15:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
. dispite gankers and others who think PvP should reign alone in EvE.


We don't think this.

True. It's already a fact anyway.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1014 - 2014-06-28 07:35:40 UTC
is this thread STILL going on.

Love the double-standard, ISD.
Something about "constructive posting" and "redundant posting"?

Or does that only apply when a non-griefer posts?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#1015 - 2014-06-28 08:23:43 UTC
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
dispite gankers and others who think PvP should reign alone in EvE.


I can't think of any activity in Eve that isn't PvP. You might want to say ship spinning isn't, but I assure you I can get pretty competitive about it.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#1016 - 2014-06-28 09:22:28 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
dispite gankers and others who think PvP should reign alone in EvE.


I can't think of any activity in Eve that isn't PvP. You might want to say ship spinning isn't, but I assure you I can get pretty competitive about it.
Well when then introduced the ship spinning counter, it did become PvP. We even had a few threads on it with claims of who got the highest count. Lol

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1017 - 2014-06-28 11:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
is this thread STILL going on.

~ tinfoil about bias ~
Something about "~ stuff ~" and "~ more stuff ~"?

Or does that only apply when a non-griefer posts?
It's a Hydra thread, they close one and another 2 appear in its place.

Keeping one main thread open is probably a lot easier on both the ISD team and CCP than trying to moderate several redundant threads about exactly the same thing.

edit ~ I hate getting posts deleted because I quoted someone

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1018 - 2014-06-28 11:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
i've always thought of the various npc alt corp posters as the hydra

gankers are just basement dwellers, it's not real pvp, they can't hack in in lowsec, they hate pveers because they don't make isk themselves, miners help the economy, who builds your ships, they're forcing me to pvp, i don't mind ganking really but it needs a nerf, just one more nerf, [idea]: seige mod for barges, ~james 314 or whatever his name is i totally don't remember~, you're all immature, getting a kick out of shooting defenceless ships, you're cowards, defending myself isn't a viable option, why should i have to change my playstyle to accommodate gankers, how can a two million ship kill a hundred million isk ship, stop trying to force me out of highsec
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1019 - 2014-06-28 11:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
is this thread STILL going on.

Love the double-standard, ISD.
Something about "constructive posting" and "redundant posting"?

Or does that only apply when a non-griefer posts?
What double standard?
It's a reasonably constructive thread; it makes other threads on the topic redundant since this one covers everything already; and it is the only thread needed at the moment.

And yes, incorrectly crying about “griefing” in relation to activities that very clearly don't count as griefing is indeed a good way to get your thread locked, which is why the OP stays away from that particular trap. He's just critiquing the (assumed) commonness of ganking, and suggesting an idea to fix this (as it turns out incorrectly) assumed problem.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1020 - 2014-06-28 12:04:56 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
is this thread STILL going on.

Love the double-standard, ISD.
Something about "constructive posting" and "redundant posting"?

Or does that only apply when a non-griefer posts?


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