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I think I can clear up some confusion here

If you mine it, sell the ore

Basically no one should be refining unless you are the end user, or there is so few minerals on the market, you think you can make a quick isk

The end users ie builders will be the ones reprocessing ore into minerals

If you reprocess in high sec, there is NO ONE who builds in low or null that will buy minerals as their volume is too big

Everyone buying to build will have their reprocessing plans worked out and will be buying ore, preferably compressed, but I personally won't be too fussed about compressing it myself.

I am sure there is someone and due to how the mineral market works will buy minerals in jita and haul somewhere to build because it is 0.0001 isk cheaper.

However, the guys in null and low won't really have that luxury due to volume, so they will buy ore, preferably compressed and jump it to where it needs to go

Reprocessing yield gets better with skills and implants. Standing applies to NPC station reprocessing only (the 6.67 Standing at the station owning NPC corporation) and lowsers the reprocessing tax ("we take").
Nullsec outposts' repcoressing tax also can be set by the station owner (player corporation in this case) - but you can't raise that standing by running missions.

POS reprocessing: no reprocessing tax.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/industry-features-coming-in-the-crius-release/

The formula is for reprocessing yield, before calculation of owner tax.

So reprocessing is being made a thing where skills are paramount, sandbox, geography etc, but half the equation is based on compression now, and there are no skills to effect that? Seems unbalanced.

Will there be teams to benefit reprocessing and compression system wide? That could be a way for high sec industrialists to band together and claw back some advantage.

funniest statement on eve-o this month

There are plenty of us that mine strictly in highsec that are being left out of this new compressed ore model. Many of us either are solo players or we belong to such small corps that a POS is out of the question and the Rorqual cannot be used in highsec.

I suggest that instead of using arrays that instead you add a compression vessel that can be used anywhere and when you do the makeover on the Rorqual you just remove this ability as it would be useless.

To preemptively respond to the statement that will surely be posted, no it isnt acceptable for me to have to share my profits with someone else by selling my ore to them and having them compress it. I got into and am dedicated to mining I should get all the profits there are in this already 'meager' profit making specialty.

Thank you CCP for that crumb, after all the training done so far. But what concerns a lot of us is the in coming kick in the nuts for Rorquals for this minor upgrade long overdue, why would a utility industrial like this need greater defense/offence capabilities, is it CCP's intention to force them outside the PoS shields to be of any value to miners, if so whats the point of the ship at all, players will just take the hit, reprocess those they cannot get some mug to buy and then use that other mining nightmare the Orca, at least that is not such an isk hit daily to have it blown up is it.

Oh I forgot, the various nerfs to Null sec industry meaning few if any Orcas will be produced up there, guess few if any of them will survive the trip from Hisec anyway so no matter. and these are improvements.???

I believe there are some significant 'inconsistencies' with the proposed compressed ore volumes as they currently appear on Sisi. They are inconsistent with each other and they are inconisistent with the following statement quoted from the Reprocess All The Things blog.


I have used a spreadsheet in the past to help establish the best ores to mine based on Mined Ore Value per m3 . Nothing new; Omber was worst and Mercoxit was best (twice as good) but nothing looked exceptionally unusual.

I recently expanded that spreadsheet to compare Compressed Ore Value per m3 and I also added 425mm Railgun, seeing as these could rightly be regarded as the standard for ore compression activities. Based on a buy price of 2,300,000 isk per 425mm Railgun with its volume of 50m3, the compressed ore value for a 425mm Railgun is 46,000 ISK per m3 (2,300,000 / 50).

Below is a list of ores along with their compressed value per m3 as calculated by my updated spreadsheet. (I have just kept to the standard ores for comparison reasons only).

Veldspar - 12,000 isk / m3
Scordite - 15,700 isk / m3
Pyroxeres - 40,100 isk / m3
Plagioclase - 40,100 isk / m3
Omber - 125,100 isk / m3
Kernite - 120,000 isk / m3
Jaspet - 293,900 isk / m3
Hemorphite - 446,500 isk / m3
Hedbergite - 522,600 isk / m3
Spodumain - 18,400 isk / m3
Gneiss - 99,500 isk / m3
Dark Ochre - 52,000 isk / m3
Crokite - 52,600 isk / m3
Bistot - 62,600 isk / m3
Arkonor - 121,600 isk / m3

Veldspar and Scordite look too low compared to other hi-sec ores. Jaspet, Hemorphite and Hedbergite look far too high compared to other low/null-sec ores and Spodumain once again takes the prize for least desirable ore in its class. I would like to remind you at this point that these are values comparing the transportation of compressed ore and have little to no relevance with whether they are worth the time spent mining them.

I am of the opinion that rather than having compressed ore volumes based roughly on the total number of reprocessed minerals contained within it and then dividing that by approx 2000, some consideration should be given to the value of that compressed ore when expressed in m3 terms to bring it more in line with 425mm Railguns.

The following compressed ore m3 values would go a long way to achieving this:

Veldspar - 0.05 m3
Scordite - 0.10 m3
Pyroxeres - 0.15 m3
Plagioclase - 0.15 m3
Omber - 0.25 m3
Kernite - 0.50 m3
Jaspet - 1.00 m3
Hemorphite - 1.00 m3
Hedbergite - 1.00 m3
Spodumain - 4.00 m3
Gneiss - 2.00 m3
Dark Ochre - 2.00 m3
Crokite - 5.00 m3
Bistot - 5.00 m3
Arkonor - 5.00 m3

Assuming perfect reprocessing (skills @ 5, 4 % reprocessing implant): Crius values are around the same as they are now at stations with a base yield of 50%. Anything above that, starting from a Reprocessing array, will yield more with Crius.
Compressed Crokite/Pyroxeres might be an exception.