EVE General Discussion

That's one of those ideas you get stuck in your head (like 'dialing in' a system wasn't that you?) that you think sounds good but you're not looking at the actual behavior of other people when you think about it.

Finite resources sound good, but (like Infinity Ziona's "just get rid of timers" thing) what you end up with is empowering the already powerful to take even more power (because they have the numbers and organization to shut everyone else down).

In other words, your ideas would (if implemented) amke things worse for the people you're trying to make them better for (in the same way that some real life "think of the children" policies actually make things worse).

Respawning resources means that no one group can put a permanent stranglehold on any other group. While you think finite resources would spawn conflict (the same way CCP thought limiting anomalies would spur conflict) what you're more likely to end up with is groups like Goons "OTECing" the hell out of whatever spawns (because Goons follow the American foreign policy tradition of "not fighting over anything you can just buy with money) and everyone else saying **** it and running back to high sec lol.

I like little guys.

There was a movie back in the 80's called Under The Rainbow. It had Chevy Chase and Carrie Fischer in it. And a whole lot of little guys. It was funny.

And those little guys in Willy Wonka (the first one with Gene Wilder) were really smart. Listen to them and you will go far.

And that little guy in the Austin Powers movies? He was funny too!

No they're not. It's just another thing added to the ever growing list of things CCP say they might possibly want to do sometime in future, which never actually happens.

Ever bigger blobs is what creates the headlines and gets new subs apparantly, so that's what we'll get.

Unfortunately for CCP you need two blobs to make a battle, and it's just about reached the stage where there's now only one blob left.

Siphons were specifically added for this purpose - so yeah, it really is happening.

IIRC "Team Superfriends" of CCP is specifically tasked with creating tools that allow guerrilla warfare (among other things).

I mean did you even see the thread where siphons were announced? Half of goonswarm flipped out - they were whining and moaning like none had ever seen. Why? Because it's a tool that you can use to hurt them without risking much yourself.

If they weren't a threat, alliances wouldn't be making handshake deals to not use them against eachother.

I'm sure there will be more tools like this to come, no matter how much the big nullblocs whine and complain.

Exactly.

Where i'm from, old folks say "there is nothing new under the sun" and that's a way of saying that people's 'current and modern' perceptions are usually off. Some folks want to believe that "things were better in the past as a way to justify thier dislike of certain aspects of the present.

Things weren't better in the past, they just seemed 'newer' to people experiencing them for the 1st time. That's not saying null is in a good state, but these brilliant people who always think "oh , if you just do this or that things will be fine" are imo a bit delusional.

try harder, if "one man" pubbie corps are looking to **w til their hearts content try renting...

If they were only a minor irritant there wouldn't be agreements to not use them against each other.

Edit: also your logic is terrible anyways. Blowing a few ships up is technically only a minor irritant unless they are carriers or greater, and as far as I know blowing ships up is a form of warfare.

This would be true only if they had an incentive to do it.

Siphons suck for ninja-looting, they are better for harassment/destruction of income.

And for that incentive, the only parties with that incentive have mostly agreed to not do it to eachother.

I wonder why?

Tippia logic is weak today.

At their own expense. Since siphons suck for ninja looting, you'd essentially be paying to hurt somebody else.

This would only be worth it if you were an enemy of the party, rather than just a guy looking to get some ISK.

So, the only people with an incentive to do it are the people who agreed not to do it to eachother.



Incorrect.

They aren't used much because the parties with the biggest incentive to use them have agreed to not use them via a handshake deal.



Nothing has shown their lack of use. CCP has stated they don't want to reveal numbers because they don't want to spoil usage for the people using them. It



Tippia logic seems to be based on fictitious fantasy lands that don't exist within EVE.

Thats just in two months.

So 120b/month is being siphoned atm.

It does seem low, but siphons are also pretty damn new. We also getting two new ones, which are obviously going to increase that number.