EVE General Discussion

Imagine if you will a scenario in which a capsuleer can, say, walk into a Lai Dai corporate office aboard a station while posing as an executive, hack the mainframe and abscond with stolen data. But they risk being caught, evicted from the station, being fined, losing standings... Maybe they did all of this on behalf of the Hyasyoda Corporation, maybe they did the job themselves for their own reasons.

Maybe those blueprints are for prototype implants. Being stolen, these are Illegal to move around highsec and illegal to trade on the SCC market or even via the station trade interface - the only way to trade them is face to face, at a handover on some lower decks, maybe with some bodyguards in tow. The deal could go south - maybe the guy being traded with prefers to get the firepower discount. Maybe it's a sting by a player looking to claim a bounty on confiscated contraband.

Think Ocean's 11, okay? Maybe the pilot can hire DUST mercs to hit a nearby corporate facility for him, distracting the security forces, or making the hack easier by opening a back door into the mainframe. Maybe he can have other players watching his back, intercepting comms traffic, improving his odds of success... or maybe betraying him.

Or here's an idea - graphical representations for strategic planning, industrial planning, corp ship fitting and stuff. Corp members gather around a holographic projector in their office, all looking at the same data, able to play around with it like Tony Stark and his holographic design tools.

CCP Bayesian had his "exploring abandoned facilities" concept which I thought was cool, too.

If the theme of the next few expansions is capsuleers breaking free from the Empires and beginning to go their own way, then I'd view WiS as being the capsuleers beginning to exploit and manipulate the empires now that their dependence upon them has been broken.

The point is, whatever you do in stations should benefit you in space. It should be a money-making mechanic that gives you materials, ISK, LP or whatever. It should be another new corner in the sandbox where you can build your own castle and earn money off it... or watch it be kicked over. It shouldn't just be an RP venue - we already have those.

Basically, what are the six things that capsuleers (i.e., players) care about?

Ships, things to fit on ships, boosters and implants, clones, ISK, and the means to acquire, earn or make all of the above.

WiS advocates are proposing that WiS should be another flavour of that last one. As opposed to a closet where you sit on the couch and maybe change your shirt. Which is what every expansion ever has added to the game.

the difference between spaceships and avatars is an illusion. It's all EVE.

That might be true if you ask a game designer.

If you understood a minor fraction of the difference between rendering a somewhat lifelike avatar and a spaceship then you wouldn't state it so casual.

I actually do understand the difference, quite intimately.

I was talking from a high-concept philosophical perspective rather than a technical one. As should have been obvious.

I think it's quite clear that the major reason for that is one of opposition and philosophy rather than technical challenge. CCP don't let technical challenges stop them - if they did, EVE wouldn't even exist. Technical challenges are eminently surmountable - player hostility is less so.

Every time somebody even mentions the possibility of resurrecting Incarna content, we get a thread full of hostility, usually spearheaded by the Goons for some reason.

Personally my opinion is that they've painted themselves in a corner after a series of bad decissions and are trying to sell the corner as the place they always wanted to be.

If that is so, then they have painted them self into a corner where they have survived and grown for 10 years.

Which might not be the wrong move.

Getting stuck in a dark corner, where you have a chance to stay and grow can be better than hitting for the centre of the floor and get stomped.

Have you tried using it?
Like trying to get your avatar to walk from point a to point b without getting stuck and doing silly walks for 30 seconds before giving up?

Have you looked at the amount of resources gobbled up by a single animated avatar alone i that room?

The code that's currently in EvE would need some serious tweaks before you go exploring, or bar fighting or whatever with it.

You are not the only one. I suffered no real issues. My system at the time was cutting edge. I didn't notice anything of mention until I read the forum complaints. All I saw was a bit more heat and thus a bit higher RPMs on my GPU fans.

But I think the forums alone revealed a large and wide issue impacting many people.

What would really discourage me now is if someone from CCP came on this thread and said "we will never work on WiS again , so dont ask again, now go play with your internet spaceships and be happy"

That would really make me feel small....in my station....looking at my big ship.