EVE General Discussion

And vampires. Don't forget the vampires.

I don't think we'll see that one before 2025. Or ever.

It's not deal breaker me either, but it does affect EVE's ability to keep me when other interesting MMORPGs come out in the future. I am not going to predict one way or another so we'll see when we see.

I think you're overestimating the impact that developing avatar technology will have on CCP's other projects.

First of all, it's a safe bet that a lot of the actual tech will be shared with WOD. So that will cut costs. Second, it sounds like they're aware of the costs, so they've limited themselves to what sounds like five guys playing around in Unity.

CCP is clearly thinking long-term. EVE Online's player base has been slowly growing for ten years. Part of that success has been the regular flow of new content to keep the game from getting stale. But CCP can take its time, because they can be confident that EVE will still be here five years from now. So they'll take their time. They'll do it right. And they'll keep making EVE Online the best MMO out there.

A lot of these items are still on SiSi are they not? just recolours of existing pieces though iirc.

Better translation: you have to enjoy ships because Eve is a spaceship game.

CCP promised to focus on real Eve content and they have stuck to it. If you don't want to play a spaceship game why are you still here?

I would actually worry if the same thing was posted by a Dev who's actually connected to Team Avatar. CCP Rise is part of ships rebalance team. In addition to that it seems that the devs in CCP aren't even on the same page so to speak.

As far as core Eve gameplay - spaceships and whatnot - maybe what they should've learned is not to give promises about expanding Eve and not doing anything in actuality, while doing all the false advertisements with game trailers.
"This video doesn't display actual gameplay, but merely a vision" watermark is pretty much required.

It is one thing if an RTS had these trailers, but totally different for space MMO RPG. Which Rhes and other naysayers can all deny, but Eve really is.

No, a tiny fraction of the playerbase wants avatar content. The rest of us recognize that Eve is spaceships.

There are countless games where you can play dress-up with your avatar and use dance emotes. Go play one of them and stop trying to trick CCP into ruining their spaceship game.

Very dissapointed after reading CCP Rise's comments. Comments which seem to fly directly in the face of those made by other Devs over time and CCP itself who claim to aim for EVE to be "the ultimate sci-fi simulator".

To be that ultimate sci-fi sim you will require avatar based content, right? Otherwise it's just a spaceship sim. For the most immersive experience you require a game that has multiple facets.

So really, it seems that if CCP support Rise's comments then their entire game-philosophy and vision has now shifted dramatically.

And quietly too it seems.

If you limit yourself to one aspect of gameplay then you will never be the ultimate sci-fi simulator you hope to be. Merely a sci-fi genre spaceship simulator. Big difference really.

Incarna? Well I'm not the EVE-news knowledge buff that some of you are. But Incarna's avatar-content isn't what upset people and it's not what caused Jita riots. So why do people who're against WiS keep holding up Incarna as a symbol of the entire community's resentment of avatar-content? It's not, and to keep using it like so is just misleading. It was the overall hopes that were built up by CCP's exaggerated claims as to what to expect Incarna to be. It was the micro-transaction products AND it was the inherent flaws in the "spaceship game" that weren't addressed.

So why not "burn Jita" with every single update? Because every update there is still stuff that's not "fixed" within the spaceship game, right? Even last update we had new t-shirts for our avatars introduced. That's Dev time that could of been spent on your spaceship problems, right? Why you not burning Jita again?

I don't get it.

The answer lays somewhere between selfishness, short-sightedness, a sense of entitlement ("This is MY Eve!! My Eve is about spaceships not avatars!!") and hypocrisy amoung players who perhaps lack confidence in CPP's development, or lack faith in it's long term vision. But you see in one hand you have players who subscribe to ganking, scamming and other things that negatively effect other players' enjoyment of the part of EVE they immerse themselves in. And that's ok. But ... then on the other hand the same players will rage about avatar-content being introduced because it's not part of the game that they enjoy.

Hypocrisy much?

Tears over potential avatar content?

That guy you ganked who cried, you thought that was funny. That person who raged after they got scammed gave you a giggle. Well you're crying now due to avatar content and I think that's ****ing hilarious and blindingly hypocritical.

Why do I play EVE then if I'm pro-avatar content? Because I love the spaceship game. But ... not only that, it's because I see the potential for the game overall to be even better, even more immersive, with the introduction of avatar content. I'll play EVE with or without avatar content, but CCP has made me believe in the vision they've been standing behind for years - well until CCP Rise's comments it seems. I believe CCP has the skills, resources and knowledge to implement a kick-ass avatar experience within EVE, if they want to, and I hope that it will come one day.

We CAN have the best of both worlds. And if CCP get's it right it can come without costing other aspects of gameplay. Both sides of this argument should really pressure CCP to simply "get it right" when it's implemented, instead of fighting over whether or not it should be implemented at all.

Don't be scared