EVE General Discussion

WiS is useless, as it is. Now, we're talking about leaving our ships vulnerable to ganking while we EVA?

I would be all for this concept, if it was a separate singleplayer game. I would probably actually buy it, if that's what the finished product ends up being. I seriously think CCP is wasting what could be a brilliant expanded universe by not introducing singleplayer EVE-related games.
I always thought a turn-based strategy game about the Amarr-Jove war would be a great way to look back at some of the past occurrences and shed light on some of the darker corners of the lore.
Perhaps even dip further back into pre-rediscovery of space travel days.

And, why are we in a completely different galaxy, altogether, with thousands of inhabitable worlds, but we haven't run into a single nonhuman intelligent race, yet? Way back in the beginning of EVE, I thought that's what Jovians were. I was kind of disappointed to find out they were just regular people that got into some seriously mad scientist stuff. When are we going to get suddenly blindsided by the appearance of legitimate aliens (again.... totally dropped the ball with the Incursions. That could have been the point when you said "oh, by the way.... you're not alone, here")?
We've become comfortable with just killing eachother. Give us a reason to band together, again. Even PvP gets boring (wow.... I'm edging close to blasphemy, there) every now and again. A lot of folks want more events and reasons to cooperate with other players.

Still Waiting on Content xD

EVE is forever a game of internet spaceships. And thanks to CCP those spaceships have gotten better and better, balanced, fixed. Time-dilation has in many ways fixed server stability from when Incarna first came out.

They've done an amazing job catering to starships. Nine years playing and forever a PvPer, I can vouch.

But what they haven't catered very hugely to has been the lore.

Nine years and there's still a wall between the players and the massive (dark) world that is EVE Online's lore.

In fact, there's been a slow decline of the lore since Empyrean Age: Incarna took away a lot of individuality within character options and key racial features. Key characters within the lore have slowly been killed off without any notable replacements. (Caldari Prime was a great touch, but doesn't fill the void very well between events and didn't strongly impact the players within the lore.)

We were finally able to venture outside the capsule but still never allowed to show face as to who we are in the world.

Other parts of the stations would be nice.

More character customization would be nice.

Lore representation of your assets would be nice. (IE, customizing crew for a ship, which would tweak an implant's worth of passives in that ship, with time and enough veterancy maybe a little more.)

Ability to interact with NPCs would be nice. (Such interviewing assets of missions, such as the militants you just scooped.)

Hand in hand with the above recommendation, ability to interact with your agents face-to-face would be nice, especially if from a place of dominance and fear-inducing. In time with enough standing, you could modify this reception to something more friendly.

Ability to assign passengers to your captains quarters would also be nice. (They would come with assorted props and would change various places around the captain's quarters with each visit.) (This could open up sides to a mission you're not seeing, and hint to how your truly doing the dirty work of corporations.)

Ability to further customize planets you've set up base on, even having standings with that world. Some improvements suggested may empower the world more than actually help you out, overall improving standings with the planet and overall efficiency of the P.I. interactions.

There's plenty of other options suggested out there.

Bottom line: Part of what makes EVE Online so deep, powerful, and profoundly ambient is the lore. The lore is defined by the characters involved. We in many ways are the characters.

Who we are is shaped by features of Incarna, WIS, and that which isn't internet spaceships.

CCP has honored us by fixing and balancing one side of EVE now. Please help encourage them not to forget the other side.

After all, you want more people to kill, right?

Realized this isn't the best topic to throw a list down. Decided instead to make a better topic in the Ideas section of the forums for this stuff and opened it up to the public.

I have a feeling this thread was made for another purpose.

The topic can be found here.

And this is the reason for which they are re-writing the core game features before they re-write the foundation of the graphic engine. As I wrote before in this and other threads, this work could already be done and deployed long ago, had CCP's project management not put EVE on life support by assigning resources to side project developments.


Reality check - That is what happened with EVE when Incarna was released as a half baked feature 2 years ago.


Yes, EVE players got bored pretty fast with Incarna CQ and hangar, and it is indeed a better conduct by CCP to quit making Pie in The Sky™ promises until they can actually flesh them out to avoid upsetting the playerbase in the future.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.

Specific ideas are always nice to hear, but so far the issue wih WiS is a complete lack of corporate will to implement it.

CCP "would like " (so they say) to implement it, but they will not do it. They have no plans, and even when thinking about it, they have already discarded implementing it in the eVE client.

As trade off, we are getting NewSpace as outcome of the Hallelujah Plan, whose premise is that "adding new space worked twice in the past, let's do it a third time".

Of course, we as players may differ from both the prognosis (EVE space is underused and thus needs more space) and the cure (more space to conquer and hold and lose in horribly agonizing wars which drive the losers out of the game), but, what can we do aside of ranting?

Luckily, the CSM, and specially Malcanis, come to our rescue. In order to have any chance to succesfully convince CCP of doing what we want, this is what needs to be done:

So you have this great idea...

Accepted. Rum and coke for you. If we ever meet in space, let us go in with guns blazing and come out saying "GF"

You could make the same argument for warp speeds. I mean, you could make stations work like hangar arrays: just pull up to one, get a list of your ships, Board it, and fly off; the need to dock introduces a bit of tactical complexity. Designing stations to act their (truly immense) size, and their hangars to work like actual hangars in a spaceport, would introduce a whole new layer of gameplay, and yes, the irritation of having to wait to get to a new ship would be part of that. There are plenty of ways around it; every dock has provisions for ships that just want to land, take fuel, and leave vs. ships that intend to be anchored for a while, or stowed. There's absolutely no reason to make them PVP-free zones, either. Why not make stations add a whole new venue for sandbox gameplay, instead of being 100% safe magic top hats that can instantly summon your fully crewed and provisioned, city-sized war machine of choice?

It's a question of whether you want EVE to be a deep, immersive universe where all of your decisions have consequences, or World of Tanks in space.



I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the Yurt is the first step toward a complete replacement of the current POS system. CCP has been talking about structures that don't have to be anchored to celestials for a while now. Rubicon will show their first delivery on that talk. More things with interiors!

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.

I haven't read through the entire thread, just parts of it, so forgive me if I re-tread things that have already been said.

WiS/Avatars have been almost completely bungled by CCP. They actually created a pretty awesome avatar with a decent character generator, and then everything else since has been a big, wet, crap sandwich. Pretty much all the blame should correctly go to CCP, though ignorant players helped a bit.

First, CCP built up a lot of anticipation with pre-release videos and discussions about how awesome avatars were and how there would be nifty corporate board room and places to meet up with people. Most people were excited.

Second, CCP released avatars in the worst possible way. They released the avatar in a captain's quarters with no possible interaction with other player avatars. Clothing customizations were ridiculously limited and ridiculously expensive. And the rest of the patch sucked for people who weren't excited about avatars. Everyone went ballistic, even the people who had looked forward to avatars -- me included. People cancelled accounts and protested and burned the world.

Third, CCP, shocked by the vehemence of outrage, stepped back from WiS and avatars, refocused on space-pew and relegated WiS to the dustbin of history. Occasionally CCP makes a tentative effort to say something about creating "meaningful gameplay" because of the space-pew crowd's complaints about WiS not contributing to space-pew.

What went wrong and how should it have gone? One of the most important factors of avatars is player identification with the ingame character. That ranges from "I want to be this character" to "the character looks just how I imagined him/her." The avatar generator was the first step in that process, but the second step is the clothing. First big fail by CCP. The avatar generator is decent, but there isn't really enough variety to distinguish all players. There are a lot of Gallente females looking very similar to my avatar. Clothing would have a big step in that direction, but CCP chose to release avatars with about six different outfits at a cost of $10 -$100. Ludicrous. There should have been hundreds of options at very low prices. Why pay $100 to look just like everyone else?

Next, there was all the build up by CCP about how people would be able to meet in the stations and then everyone was stuck in a box by themselves. Even people who wanted avatars felt "WTF!?" Many complained about the lack of contribution to space pew. Many just complained because what was given was a teeny fraction of what was promised. CCP has wrongly taken this response to mean that everyone wants some kind of super game with avatars. But just being able to meet other random avatars in a station would be a huge boon to EvE. The players who say this wouldn't be useful are ignorant savages, to put it nicely. Faces, even fake internet ones, are powerful. They are far more powerful than most people suspect. Even an fake attractive face, one that people know is fake -- heck, one that people know is not only fake, but probably not the same gender as the person behind the mask -- faces change the way people interact with each other. We are so used to seeing people's faces when we talk, that even in games we tend to make judgements and inferences based on the fake face. Having avatars able to meet face to face would be a huge boon to both socializing and to corporate espionage.

I've heard many players shrug off the idea that such meeting could have effect on gameplay, but I'm sure it would be huge. People are used to corporations telling members not to chat with non-corporate members, but people see walking into a bar as different. In some ways it's less personal, hence safer, than opening a chat channel. They are more inclined to take that step into a bar full of strangers and strike up a conversation and maybe make a friend or join a corporation. Likewise, meeting a corporate diplomat or recruiter in person has a power that clicking submit on a membership form doesn't have. The powerful and game-enhancing effects of being able to meet in avatar-person have been underappreciated. If CCP were going to make just one change in avatars, it should be to be able to meet other avatars.