EVE General Discussion

This is incorrect. WoD was only in planning phase at the time(they couldn't have been developing it yet because the CARBON engine wasn't finnished), and Incarna... well, the content we "saw" wasn't what was taking up development time.

Dust was announced about the same time as the release of Incarna, but from what we know developement hadn't seriously started on it yet.

CCP were working on CARBON. An entirely new games engine for Eve and World of Darkness to use. That's where all the development time went. Before you say other people don't know their history, perhaps you should make sure you know it yourself in future. We've got some great things from CARBON, but if you ask me it was a waste of time. Why re-invent the wheel when there are plenty of good engines out there available to use.

Now CCP's resources are being drained by other games, but not then.

True... I mean, even EVE is still an extremely flawed game. After 10 years of continuous development, it's very unbalanced, horribly un-accessable and all in all, very limited in scope.

The only reason why people put up with it for so long is because it's one of a kind... it's totally player driven, working economy... it's open ended gameplay... well, actually UO and SWG had all that too, but we all know what happened to them.

What I'm saying is: CCP isn't really that great a developer many people (me included) thought them to be... the only thing they really did well, was making the base principle of EVE work, many years ago... other then that, all their exploits haven't been ver impressive... at all.

I don't recall where I read it first, but calling CCP a "one hit wonder" is a very clever way to put the situation in perspective.

Check out the last 2 pictures about Algos in this dev blog, pic 1 and pic 2.

While the rest of the images seems to be Dust related, these 2 images might be some sort of prototype images about WiS. I might stop pumping money in SC if this is part of ccp future plans with EVE! And yeah, I know those are some kind of book illustrations but why so detailed and so much focus on ships interior?

I admit defeat on the Dust issue. Mis-remembered badly on my part. The point stands on WoD though. The Carbon engine was finished just before Incarna was released and integrated during that expansion. If there were any people who were officially working on WoD at the time they were working ON the Carbon engine. Because without the engine, your not developing. Unless you believe throwing concepts and concept art together is development.

It is entirely possible that the engine was finished a few months in advance of the release of Incarna, and so the WoD team could have been working directly on the game for a couple of months. But a couple of months of development doesn't really prove the point I think you were trying to make. If your trying to imply that CCP can't multitask and that WiS development would spread CCP too thin, then you have to ask yourself why CCP are spreading themselves much thinner now than they were even then.

Then, they had Eve and Dust and in a very small part WoD (who were more or less working on Eve for the purposes of this discussion)... Now, they are working on Dust and WoD fully, as well as Eve, and now Valkyrie as well. Add to this the point that we are seeing less and less content each expansion and I think his points stands pretty prominently. CCP are working on more tasks now than they were then. If they can't do it, why are they doing it?

I am personally of the opinion that CCP shouldn't be putting development time into Valkyrie. Assign those devs to work on WiS for Eve and they will get more for their money and they wont end up supporting dead weight like they currently are with Dust. At the moment it looks like Dust can't support itself. It's being supported by Eve. Having two other unfinished (not earning ISK) projects is stupidity.

Because Eve is a spaceship game.

Core problems like EVE's terrible New Player Experience would be pretty much solved by WiS.

WiS isn't real Eve gameplay so using it for the NPE would just be confusing.

Would your version of the NPE be sitting on your couch in your CQ watching tutorial videos of how to operate your ship on the little video screen?

I have answered this at least three times on the last few pages of the thread. But I'll do it one more time for the slow people.

Dust has failed miserably and probably won't be around much longer (and I did protest the time and money spent on it when it was announced), WoD is vaporware with barely any staff assigned to it and Valkyrie, while I won't be playing it, is at least spaceship related.

All clear now?

So, let's get this straight. You are happy with the amount of (spaceship) content we are currently getting in our expansions at the moment, but you hate the fact that some people might want CCP to spend some of their wasted (Dust, WoD, Valkyrie) resources on WiS content?

You do realise, that we can both be happy right? Or are you that spiteful that you would want other people to be unhappy when their happiness would cost you nothing?