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CCP Bayesian
#2061 - 2013-09-26 17:02:40 UTC
Vincent Athena, I think you missed the point. You actually do things with your spaceship even if you control everything through the UI. It matters where the ship is and what it has fitted in relation to what you are doing despite not having a hard requirement to see the ship. You can indeed have avatar gameplay without avatars (e.g. text adventures) but the fact you are a person still matters to what you are doing. I'm talking about using the physicality of the avatar you are controlling.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2062 - 2013-09-26 17:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Vincent Athena, I think you missed the point. You actually do things with your spaceship even if you control everything through the UI. It matters where the ship is and what it has fitted in relation to what you are doing despite not having a hard requirement to see the ship. You can indeed have avatar gameplay without avatars (e.g. text adventures) but the fact you are a person still matters to what you are doing. I'm talking about using the physicality of the avatar you are controlling.


A good bunch of this lot don't understand what you mean unless you give examples that include posing, emoting, and/or playing dress up.

I mean, in SC you can sit on a space toilet.. FFS, A SPACE TOILET!!!

Surely EVE will die without this immersive and meaningful content.

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Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2063 - 2013-09-26 17:13:25 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
On a serious note, there are people who are literally throwing money at their screen just because SC is going to be a well rounded space sim .. with WiS, exploration/EVA, ship boarding. I personally have put over $600 into SC already JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE FEATURES and I know a few others Eve players who have put in more. If Eve offered a similar future we'd be doing the same here.

We have to assume they are aware of the demand, which leads one to the conclusion that delivering
the product is beyond their capability.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2064 - 2013-09-26 17:19:17 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Vincent Athena, I think you missed the point. You actually do things with your spaceship even if you control everything through the UI. It matters where the ship is and what it has fitted in relation to what you are doing despite not having a hard requirement to see the ship. You can indeed have avatar gameplay without avatars (e.g. text adventures) but the fact you are a person still matters to what you are doing. I'm talking about using the physicality of the avatar you are controlling.


A good bunch of this lot don't understand what you mean unless you give examples that include posing, emoting, and/or playing dress up.

I mean, in SC you can sit on a space toilet.. FFS, A SPACE TOILET!!!

Surely EVE will die without this immersive and meaningful content.


And you're the one to talk about fools .. you are denser than uranium. Yes you can sit on a "space toilet" but see the ability to do that has been given to SC users months before even the alpha, so imagine what else will be accomplished by the release date 2 years from now. Wish we could say the same about Eve, lots of fancy fanfest graphic mockups that fail to deliver 5 years down the line.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2065 - 2013-09-26 17:23:30 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Vincent Athena, I think you missed the point. You actually do things with your spaceship even if you control everything through the UI. It matters where the ship is and what it has fitted in relation to what you are doing despite not having a hard requirement to see the ship. You can indeed have avatar gameplay without avatars (e.g. text adventures) but the fact you are a person still matters to what you are doing. I'm talking about using the physicality of the avatar you are controlling.


A good bunch of this lot don't understand what you mean unless you give examples that include posing, emoting, and/or playing dress up.

I mean, in SC you can sit on a space toilet.. FFS, A SPACE TOILET!!!

Surely EVE will die without this immersive and meaningful content.


And you're the one to talk about fools .. you are denser than uranium. Yes you can sit on a "space toilet" but see the ability to do that has been given to SC users months before even the alpha, so imagine what else will be accomplished by the release date 2 years from now. Wish we could say the same about Eve, lots of fancy fanfest graphic mockups that fail to deliver 5 years down the line.


Wow, a pre-alpha space toilet you can sit on today. How meaningful!

I'm sure using that accomplishment alone as a measuring stick to predict what might be released in 1-2 years weighs heavily on CCP's decision making processes right now.



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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2066 - 2013-09-26 17:25:50 UTC
yep, dumb as a brick, Doc Fury has been forum blocked, have a nice day.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#2067 - 2013-09-26 17:27:37 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Basically the ball is in the court at the executive level in CCP. As per Unifex's post on the first page:

Quote:
The result of that planning highlighted that right now, we do not have the time or people to build this without impacting what we can deliver for our players who are flying in space. To create this will mean a considerable investment which will take time to put together and also a new focus for us just at a time when we as a company have another new game coming into the EVE Universe (yes DUST 514, I’m looking at you).

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. It’s a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it won’t mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars.


There are a bunch of people internally still enthusiastic about creating some things to actually do as an avatar but until such time as it's a priority for our Executive Board it's not going to happen.


Hopefully it will never happen, we are not interest in second life in space.

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Breidablik
Doomheim
#2068 - 2013-09-26 17:28:00 UTC
This is why Dust should be merged within the EVE client. Ib4 common excuses, such as "my 15 year old hard drive wouldn't hold it!", "it's for console jockies for a reason!", "EVE is all spaceships!! wahhh"
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2069 - 2013-09-26 17:30:25 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
yep, dumb as a brick, Doc Fury has been forum blocked, have a nice day.


Sorry that the truth is "dumb" and that you have no other recourse but to name-call and then block me simply because you have no valid argument.

Enjoy your space toilet, I hope it brings you much enjoyment for the $600 you flushed down it.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#2070 - 2013-09-26 17:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Say what you want but space toilet would have more meaning for avatar than running with guns. I am not trollling, it adds reality and makes things more plausible. :P

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2071 - 2013-09-26 17:35:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Soulpirate
Doc Fury wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
yep, dumb as a brick, Doc Fury has been forum blocked, have a nice day.


Sorry that the truth is "dumb" and that you have no other recourse but to name-call and then block me simply because you have no valid argument.

Enjoy your space toilet, I hope it brings you much enjoyment for the $600 you flushed down it.


The only ones that seem to be flushing $$ down the toilet is CCP.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2072 - 2013-09-26 17:36:19 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Say what you want but space toilet would have more meaning for avatar than running with guns. I am not trollling, it adds reality and makes things more plausible. :P


O.K. If I design a single pre-alpha game that contains a space toilet you can use now INCLUDING a working toilet paper roll and flushing sounds, and I also make a bunch of promises about what else may come later, how much will you throw at my kickstarter project?

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#2073 - 2013-09-26 17:41:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Doc Fury wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Say what you want but space toilet would have more meaning for avatar than running with guns. I am not trollling, it adds reality and makes things more plausible. :P


O.K. If I design a single pre-alpha game that contains a space toilet you can use now INCLUDING a working toilet paper roll and flushing sounds, and I also make a bunch of promises about what else may come later, how much will you throw at my kickstarter project?



Nothing, because SC was first with space toilets.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2074 - 2013-09-26 17:42:22 UTC
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Vincent Athena, I think you missed the point. You actually do things with your spaceship even if you control everything through the UI. It matters where the ship is and what it has fitted in relation to what you are doing despite not having a hard requirement to see the ship. You can indeed have avatar gameplay without avatars (e.g. text adventures) but the fact you are a person still matters to what you are doing. I'm talking about using the physicality of the avatar you are controlling.


RP *is* content. Certain players may disregard anything that isn't about how much damage your ship can do in combat, but it adds to the immersive quality of the universe. It gives you something more dynamic to troll around than ship spinning. And the endless parade of clothes and emotes and such WILL draw interest from certain crowds. Crowds that will bring money that you can spend developing more spaceships.

New player experience *is* content. New players may not be versed in the sheer amount of spreadsheet trolling they are capable of, but exploring a communal space with similar features will teach them the game. As they need to do things quicker, they'll find shortcuts.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2075 - 2013-09-26 17:45:36 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Sorry that the truth is "dumb" and that you have no other recourse but to name-call and then block me simply because you have no valid argument.


No offence Doc, but your arguments so far haven't exactly been the bees knees.

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Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2076 - 2013-09-26 17:46:36 UTC
Oh well, guess we will have our final answer in just over 2 hours.


My bet is a bigger shinier carrot on a longer stick.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2077 - 2013-09-26 17:48:31 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Say what you want but space toilet would have more meaning for avatar than running with guns. I am not trollling, it adds reality and makes things more plausible. :P


O.K. If I design a single pre-alpha game that contains a space toilet you can use now INCLUDING a working toilet paper roll and flushing sounds, and I also make a bunch of promises about what else may come later, how much will you throw at my kickstarter project?



Nothing, because SC was first with space toilets.



Curses...

How about a sink and vanity mirror? Or maybe a ceiling fan? I'm just spitballing here, and want to get in on all this free money disgruntled EVE players are throwing at other games because they contain such meaningful and useful pre-alpha features.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#2078 - 2013-09-26 17:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Vincent Athena, I think you missed the point. You actually do things with your spaceship even if you control everything through the UI. It matters where the ship is and what it has fitted in relation to what you are doing despite not having a hard requirement to see the ship. You can indeed have avatar gameplay without avatars (e.g. text adventures) but the fact you are a person still matters to what you are doing. I'm talking about using the physicality of the avatar you are controlling.


Does this mean that besides the fact the suits won't greenlight the EVA/WiS development completion you also were not able to create enough gameplay features on it? Well, if that is aswell the case, I'm sorry to hear and I will indeed spend my money with other games that deliver what you can't.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2079 - 2013-09-26 17:53:14 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Sorry that the truth is "dumb" and that you have no other recourse but to name-call and then block me simply because you have no valid argument.


No offence Doc, but your arguments so far haven't exactly been the bees knees.


Players who argue and espouse that a space toilet in a pre-alpha game is some kind of big achievement that reflects on how that game will eventually turn out, isn't exactly the toad's chode either.

/or based in reality.



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Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#2080 - 2013-09-26 17:54:13 UTC
Soulpirate wrote:
Oh well, guess we will have our final answer in just over 2 hours.

My bet is a bigger shinier carrot on a longer stick.


I'd argue CCP Bayesian's comments probably already indicate we won't see any WiS in this expansion.

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