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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1661 - 2013-09-16 18:50:33 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
oh man I'm so reposting this here:

**** it, I'm ******* tired of all these threads. Incarna was a huge fail because CCP thought we were mindless drones and wanted to expand the damn thing into a "social gameplay avenue". that sucks, it needs to be hardcore at the level of spaceships-on-spaceships action we get in space.



I don't want barbies in space.

I want ruthelessness in space. I want to get close to someone and pop a damn blaster in a guy's skull just for the giggles, **** everything else.

I want to use a thorax' nose to rip a space station's interior decks so that I can invade enemy stations from within, shooting crap left and right, board the same damn thorax and finish the job with hot blaster action on the survivors.

I want war rooms for intel processing for gangs, complete with holographic starmap displaying real-time intel.


I want hardcore pvp action if WiS is to ever come to fruit, **** social gameplay.




and most important of all, I WANT FOR THEM TO KEEP WORKING ON THE DAMN SPACESHIP PART OF THE GAME. NO "18 MONTHS". NO ******* 1000$ PANTS.


I also hate the pro-WiS and the anti-WiS sides with a passion, your opinion about WiS sucks, doesn't matter how.



the hate is strong in you padawan

R.S.I2014

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1662 - 2013-09-16 19:04:18 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
the hate is strong in you padawan

just general bitterness and hate for ****** posting.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1663 - 2013-09-16 19:17:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
the hate is strong in you padawan

No sh**... Blink

As always, the "truth" lies somewhere in between, I guess... ramming a ship into a station or shooting someone in the face isn't hardcore... it's a possibility, but it shouldn't be the only one. You really want hardcore? Ok, reduce communication to stations, direct ship to ship/fleet com and (capacitor consuming) system wide broadcast pulses... no local... no? Roll

Also: Could we please stop with this "space barbie" BS? I didn't play with dolls when I was a kid, so I wont start with it now...

...ah, ok, then you'll be happy to hear that I will no longer have to read your ***** posting Grimpak. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1664 - 2013-09-16 19:19:15 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
the hate is strong in you padawan

No sh**... Blink

As always, the "truth" lies somewhere in between, I guess... ramming a ship into a station or shooting someone in the face isn't hardcore... it's a possibility, but it shouldn't be the only one. You really want hardcore? Ok, reduce communication to stations, direct ship to ship/fleet com and (capacitor consuming) system wide broadcast pulses... no local... no? Roll

Also: Could we please stop with this "space barbie" BS? I didn't play with dolls when I was a kid, so I wont start with it now...


He wants hardcore, he should try to stop a bullet with his brains at Star Citizen.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Taiwanistan
#1665 - 2013-09-16 19:27:11 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
the hate is strong in you padawan

No sh**... Blink

As always, the "truth" lies somewhere in between, I guess... ramming a ship into a station or shooting someone in the face isn't hardcore... it's a possibility, but it shouldn't be the only one. You really want hardcore? Ok, reduce communication to stations, direct ship to ship/fleet com and (capacitor consuming) system wide broadcast pulses... no local... no? Roll

Also: Could we please stop with this "space barbie" BS? I didn't play with dolls when I was a kid, so I wont start with it now...


He wants hardcore, he should try to stop a bullet with his brains at Star Citizen.

cus wis is fo emotin'

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1666 - 2013-09-16 19:32:46 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
He wants hardcore, he should try to stop a bullet with his brains at Star Citizen.

Now now... hidden and gone... whatever.

Back to topic...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1667 - 2013-09-16 19:35:58 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
i want to suicide gank emoters in hisec everyday.


Grimpak wrote:

I want to use a thorax' nose to rip a space station's interior decks so that I can invade enemy stations from within, shooting crap left and right, board the same damn thorax and finish the job with hot blaster action on the survivors.


yeahhhhh bic boi.... get em keybord gangsta!!!!
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1668 - 2013-09-16 20:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Seriously tho, some of these forum warriors foaming at the mouth behind the computer need to smoke a spliff and chill.

I think theres a couple of things we need to put in perspective here:
When the CCP Devs mentioned that the EVA gameplay was not safe, they are referring to their prototype of Extra Vehicular Activity done by the capsuleers in derelict structures or abandoned space stations in space, not the social areas in active space stations that might be introduced later on. All the active space stations in New Eden (be it in highsec, lowsec, null or wormholes, be them npc or player owned) are all owned and ran by corporations. Corporations which expend their share of isk to keep them running, suplied with all their logistic and maintenance needs, aswell as defense and security measures. Just because the corporation decides to let people dock and use services doesn't mean that it will allow you to act like a maniac and go around shooting people left and right. Keep in mind that you're in a SPACE station which is not a place where you wanna be cracking wholes in the walls. Of course that some corporations will require you to leave your guns at the captains quarters or at the hangar, making use of metal detectors or other detection means mandatory, while others may authorize you to walk around with them. In my opinion the charachter pvp inside active stations should be possible as long as you're allowed to carry guns or if you can smuggle them inside somehow, or by use of melee combat, but not without the owning corporation's security forces immediate response. Let's not forget who owns the stations and what they are for. Of course this does not apply to the EVA derelict structures and abandoned stations where there isn't any sort of control or combat repression from security forces.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1669 - 2013-09-16 20:11:47 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
i want to suicide gank emoters in hisec everyday.


Grimpak wrote:

I want to use a thorax' nose to rip a space station's interior decks so that I can invade enemy stations from within, shooting crap left and right, board the same damn thorax and finish the job with hot blaster action on the survivors.


yeahhhhh bic boi.... get em keybord gangsta!!!!

it's better than dancing in funny hats.

of course you can dance without hats in a sort of a safety dance or something...

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#1670 - 2013-09-16 20:18:06 UTC
Quote:
I don't want barbies in space.


How about barbies in stations? Lol

You want roughness in space, when did space became less rough for you? More barbies in space doesn't mean they will not shoot you in the face, and maybe they will do it better than Harry Forever, the self proclaimed king of PVP.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1671 - 2013-09-16 20:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Grimpak wrote:

it's better than dancing in funny hats.

of course you can dance without hats in a sort of a safety dance or something...

keybord gangsta cowboy from the wild wild west wooot woot

dont make me pull it on ya... on ya on ya....
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#1672 - 2013-09-16 20:50:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
raven666wings wrote:
Let's not forget who owns the stations and what they are for. Of course this does not apply to the EVA derelict structures and abandoned stations where there isn't any sort of control or combat repression from security forces.

Exactly my point... it's all a balance... and besides your actions always come around. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1673 - 2013-09-16 21:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
raven666wings wrote:
Grimpak wrote:

it's better than dancing in funny hats.

of course you can dance without hats in a sort of a safety dance or something...

keybord gangsta cowboy from the wild wild west wooot woot

dont make me pull it on ya... on ya on ya....

then pull... just don't spin me 'round

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1674 - 2013-09-16 21:36:50 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
I want to use a thorax' nose to rip a space station's interior decks so that I can invade enemy stations from within, shooting crap left and right, board the same damn thorax and finish the job with hot blaster action on the survivors.


someone needs to get laid
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1675 - 2013-09-16 23:45:34 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
... Keep in mind that you're in a SPACE station which is not a place where you wanna be cracking wholes in the walls. ...

A bit off-topic... to keep a sense of perspective, a frigate is suppose to be about the size of a 747 airplane. Now that frigate is how small next to a station since stations are apparently holding thousands of ships and how many people (along with all the other living arrangements). Based on how the game is set-up, there is the shield around the whole station, along with using dreads to bring down stations. Thus bullets in melee weapons being as small as they are would not puncture the outer hull of a station and suddenly asphyxiate the whole into imploding. Years ago, the old story line had a Gallente mother ship crashing into a Caldari station and while the station burned (actually still burning years later), it did not explode. And based upon the planetary interaction good "Sterile Conduits", as part of its description - "Each length of flexible, self-repairing tube..."

So blasting away with melee weapons would rile the citizens, it would not even dent the overall station.

Back on topic.
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#1676 - 2013-09-16 23:55:29 UTC
Pleasure Palace!

I want to explore the Pleasure Palace!

It always bothered me when I ran missions that I couldn't go inside ! Might not even want to blow it up if I could!

.

Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1677 - 2013-09-17 00:00:26 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Guttripper wrote:
So where is the (high / medium / low) risk of loss using a proxy?

Well, same as loosing a ship, really... you loose a, potentially expensive shell, complete with weapons, gear and implants... some of which your opponent can loot... also, you are thrown back into your ship/CQ and have to get a fresh clone. In addition, if that happens while you are trying to board an opponents ship, she also would get a chance to flee.

Hmmm... while in space, you can loose your ship and pod. But in avatar form, you can loose your clone / proxy but how can you loose your pod since it would not be there at the moment of loss? What risk would there be hidden away in a clone vat? Equipment and gear for your avatar could be (easily) replaced, but what potential loss is there to your very inner core (pod)?

I'll have to think about this one further.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1678 - 2013-09-17 00:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Guttripper wrote:
raven666wings wrote:
... Keep in mind that you're in a SPACE station which is not a place where you wanna be cracking wholes in the walls. ...

A bit off-topic... to keep a sense of perspective, a frigate is suppose to be about the size of a 747 airplane. Now that frigate is how small next to a station since stations are apparently holding thousands of ships and how many people (along with all the other living arrangements). Based on how the game is set-up, there is the shield around the whole station, along with using dreads to bring down stations. Thus bullets in melee weapons being as small as they are would not puncture the outer hull of a station and suddenly asphyxiate the whole into imploding. Years ago, the old story line had a Gallente mother ship crashing into a Caldari station and while the station burned (actually still burning years later), it did not explode. And based upon the planetary interaction good "Sterile Conduits", as part of its description - "Each length of flexible, self-repairing tube..."

So blasting away with melee weapons would rile the citizens, it would not even dent the overall station.

Back on topic.


1. The "shield" you are talking about is probably a force field around a POS. Stations do not use these in the game. Even if they did they are there to prevent outsiders from entering the perimeter, not to protect the structure from inner damage.

2. There are other kinds of guns other than projectile ammo ones, like plasma and laser rifles, particle cannons, etc. Of course a 10m thick metal wall would less likely be punctured by them than a 1-2m thick glass window from a station bar or hall. And when such event happened, what would succeed wouldn't be an implosion but a depressurization of the place, with all the breathable air being sucked out into space.

3. Stations burning in space? Lol. You'd need the space to be filled with oxigen or other gaseous comburent for that to happen.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1679 - 2013-09-17 00:30:23 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
1. The "shield" you are talking about is probably a force field around a POS. Stations do not use these in the game. Even if they did they are there to prevent outsiders from entering the perimeter, not to protect the structure from inner damage.

We can not say this for certain since there is no way to damage a station from within, yet.

raven666wings wrote:
2. There are other kinds of guns other than projectile ammo ones, like plasma and laser rifles, particle cannons, etc. Of course a 10m thick metal wall would less likely be punctured by them than a 1-2m thick glass window from a station bar or hall. And when such event happened, what would suceed woudn't be an implosion but a depressurization of the place, with all the breathable air being sucked out into space.

Stations are suppose to be the size of cities. So you're saying a puncture anywhere would suck the whole station dry? Nobody designed it to be segmented to allow sections to be cut-off from the rest of the station?

raven666wings wrote:
3. Stations burning in space? Lol. You'd need the space to be filled with oxigen or other gaseous comburent for that to happen.

Malkalen - Malkalen V - Moon 1 - Ishukone Corporation Factory - better clue CCP in on burning stations outside into space.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#1680 - 2013-09-17 00:44:13 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Read what I wrote one more time, you will understand it better.

PS- You'd be amazed at how many things CCP has in EVE that don't make any sense.