EVE General Discussion

Well, we can see just how succesful are the less-safe envionments in EVE, and in what high demand they are: Wormholes and lowsec, those places in New Eden which make Greenland look overcrowded...

I guess that it would make a lot of sense to make station interiors and then turn them into lowsec -nobody in local but a AFK cloaker and a bored gang of wannabe droogs...

Now seriously, stations are safe from non consentual fighting and they must stay this way. Consentual fighting, that would be another question... chessboxing comes to mind... or maybe some mud wrestling.

Fully featured WiS development would be main reason for separating it from Eve. Of course it is just a matter of perspective what "fully featured" is. As for me, it would be inclusion of exploration, not only a bar or custom textured sofa in CQ.

And then I would see it only separated in a sense that you could ignore it - like we can exit CQ right now - so people who are so vehemently opposed to RP and etc could have that option.

Right now we have way too many options of features that require so called "iterations." If current "WiS"(WiCQ rather) gets that iteration, it better be something good, unlike that exploration minigame, or debatable eye candy of a warp animation.

Mostly it is about getting a complete feature vs getting something that we'll have to sit and wait on getting fixed for the next decade.

It's a better idea from a player interaction standpoint to have safe communal areas in stations, even if there are other less safe parts as well. This allows players to interact with other player avatars without worrying about getting jumped and killed.

After-all one of the biggest complaints with the NEX store is that you can't really show off your lovingly crafted Avatar with that awesome Monacle to other players, and overall CCP definitely wants more players out in Low and Null and wants them to be able to participate in features like this.

Also just from a "next pass" standpoint adding stuff like combat is a LOT more work than just getting, say, 50 avatars in the same room together...

I've removed some rumor mongering from the thread.

explain your barbie logic please

Except when you invite somebody over...

To be honest, I'm kind on the fence about that... not for POSes and lawless (pirate) stations, but for high/low-sec. I see only one real way to keep capsuleers in line, other then "banning the use of firearms" in "neutral" stations... who ever brakes the rules (ie. shoots sombody down in a NPC station), has to face consequences... like a 24 hour station ban and/or a steep fee... in addition to the sec-standing hit... other then that, stations would be slaughterhouses in no time, believe me. There is a reason why there are station guns outside.

For some people, the definition of "risk" is the potential of total helplessness... not the same thing.

Also: One should always keep in mind: NPC stations are places owned and governed by somebody... they are enclosed spaces, with strict rules inforced by their owner... there is no police force like CONCORD... a Caldari Navy station functions under Caldari Navy law. No capsuleer in her right would ever think about messing with that kind of opposition, especially without a ship around her... she probably would have her ship impounded and her clone in a cell faster then she could say "MWD"... it, more or less, would be like attacking CONCORD or Navy ships around a gate.

In lore, capsuleers often attack stuff... stations, planets, etc. but that's not how the game works...

Or inside your pod sitting cozy within a ship.

It has been stated that some people can not relate to a ship since it is not an avatar. So I started thinking with avatar gaming, why not start off with a hull of an avatar and train various skills to add equipment (modules) to this hull? While the attributes we have are the core base, these can be combined to train avatar attributes - similar to the old Learning skills - which will open up the player to be allowed to use certain items.

Example: Using your Perception and Willpower attributes, you train the skill "Strength" which conditions your physical body. Strength 1 allows you to wear studded leather, Strength 3 allows you to wear steel plated overcoat, and Strength 5 allows you to wear the rare full military body armor.

Example: Using your Charisma and Intelligence attributes, you train the skill "Charisma" which opens up the ability to use your charms and wits to sway people. Charisma 1 allows you to wear simple Caldari jewelry, Charisma 3 allows you to wear higher ended Gallente clothing, and Charisma 5 allows you to wear articles that makes the Empress jealous.

Encounter example: There is a crusty old veteran blocking your passage to potential riches. If you went the combat route, then your body armor and weaponry (trained with other skills), along with other skills trained (dodging, hand-held rapid firing, hand-held sharpshooting, etc.) might eliminate the guard. Or if you went the charm route, using your fine silk clothing, hand gestures, and a rarer bottle of wine might have the guard pass out to allow you passage.

Similar to modules, the meta 0 modules for your avatar could be created using a small sample of various planetary items combined with blue prints while the rarest stuff requires you to risk yourself to obtain. The Nex store items could be considered but mere trinkets.

Overall, the idea is to parallel the flying in space aspect with station gaming: your avatar being similar to a ship, development of your avatar parallel to expanding the abilities of your ship, and training interlinked to allow you to use better means of survival.

Obviously this is but a very quick angle that would need to be fleshed out. Those players that just want to interact, showing off their trinkets will have that option. But risking yourself wearing the highest military grade body armor while carrying a BFG9000 in hopes of getting the biggest score will require extensive skill training... and a bit of luck.

Thanks for reading.

Exactly what Ish and I meant by "using proxy clones/clone drones"... they are, basically, remote corntrolled "body ships", if you will...

Still, I wouldn't consider that "station gameplay"... or we would end up with DUST FPS battles on NPC controlled stations... wouldn't make a lick of sense, I'm afraid.

Now in boarding combat or when exploring a rogue drone hive, on the other hand... THAT would be the place to use these "combat bodies".

Well, same as loosing a ship, really... you loose a, potentially expensive shell, complete with weapons, gear and implants... some of which your opponent can loot... also, you are thrown back into your ship/CQ and have to get a fresh clone. In addition, if that happens while you are trying to board an opponents ship, she also would get a chance to flee.