EVE General Discussion

Blobbing.

Blueballing.

Does shooting a structure that an enemy reps count as Player vs Player, or Player VS Enviroment VS Player?

Highlighted the important bits for you.

You're really spreading the word.

Ok, you say you have "considerable MMORPG experience". But then you tell me you haven't PvP'ed in EVE. At all.

To be perfectly honest, then, in this case you are not qualifed to speak on the topic. Neither is Ace, who only views this through the narrow prism of level 90s ganking people in Hellfire Penninsula.

So, I challenge you, get on down to Fountain and tell me "PvP players" don't want a challenge. The nullsec alliances are tearing each other apart to the tune of billions of isk per day, and they've been more or less evenly matched for close to a month now.

I'm not saying that harvesting tears isn't part of it. It is. Tears are delicious. I consider it my solemn duty to educate people who don't know how to defend themselves properly, and laugh at their misfortune. I harvest tears because it's funny how upset the carebears get over lost pixels they could easily have defended if they weren't so lazy. I harvest tears because regardless of whether they want to fight or not, I do. Refusal to defend yourself should not equal safety. That's my philosophy.

But it can't be compared to other MMOs. In those games, your power level is determined by a flat little number, your level. A level 80 cannot kill a level 90 no matter how good he is. In EVE, your power level is determined by a host of little things. The ship you're flying, your skills with it, the fit you chose, etc. So it's not the same thing. In WoW, if you get ganked by someone higher level than you, you cannot do anything to win that fight. In EVE, if you get ganked, it was because you were not adequately prepared to defend yourself.

The difference is, one of them is not your fault that you lost a fight, and one of them is. That's the fundamental difference between EVE and other games. The onus is all on the individual player and his choice of actions. And EVE gives you the ability to make those choices, for good or ill.

In about the same time frame, Blizzard peaked at around 10 mil players. Sure, some of those were single players with multiple accounts too, but it's 10million accounts. (But Panda really killed them, I think they're down to between 5 and 8 mil accounts, now. I don't know. I haven't played WoW in over a year.) So, although going from 400K to 500K is growing, to have reached 500K is..... meh.

On the other hand.... Now that I think about it... Blizzard's WoW was kind of special. Not many MMO's got more than 500K to 1mil accounts. Eh?

I take it back. 500K is awesome! Good job CCP!

I'm rambling, now. I'll stop.



I wish I remember where it was that I read this. Somewhere in this forum.... EVE Online is a gigantic old program with a gazillion lines of code. To bring the modern intelligent NPC AI would mean recoding much of those lines of code. In other words, a huge game overhaul. I don't think it'll happen anytime soon.

more along the topic of the thread..

personally, I haven't found the PVE to be quite as terribly bad as people make it out to be. perhaps that is only because I am new, and I haven't been running missions for years on end. I can understand that it gets a little tedious.

Not sure why there has to be an either/or scenario when it comes to PVP and PVE. can EVE not sustain fun PVE as well as fun PVP?

How does making PVE fun and engaging make the PVP worse? or is this more of a matter of "if it doesn't improve the PVP it's not worth pursuing?"

The only bait and switch going on is when CCP puts out a bunch of videos about some awesome feature like incarna, or a new POS system, and EvE-VR, and then never delivers their vaporware, makes a few tweaks to what we have already instead, and calls it an expansion.

It blows my mind people aren't raging about that.

...but whatever.

Keep arguing about carebears vs PvP. It's really interesting. I think this is the first thread where it's even come up.

I'm guessing you never heard of the Summer of Rage?

A great deal of that was over Incarna...because people hated it and wanted the developers to get back to actually coding in things related to ships in space.

Don't recall a video about the upcoming pos changes.

EvE-VR was literally just revealed this fanfest, and was made for a system that hasn't even been fully commercialized yet. Did you seriously think a full-on VR game was going to be made in a few months by CCP on a system that hasn't been released yet, just to have it in time for Odyssey? You're delusional.

That's the risk in fighting.

See PvP is about cheap fighting, top down.

PvE fighting is being prepared and choosing the targets wisely, because in PvE the penalties are harsher (in WoW a PvPer pays even in his best PvP gear 2g a death . Where a PvEr dies it's 20g). The PvEr is expected to know his game, expected to not fight willy nilly, expected to understand Risk vs Reward.

Cannon fodder is allowed to be cannon fodder.

PvPers know all this. They just want a FPS way to play, meanwhile talking smack about consequences.

You can remove the PvEr from his environment, but you won't remove how they play. Top end PvE is raiding, and raiders want a challenge. Dying is that challenge. If PvPers complain about ghost walks and all, they don't understand what a death penalty is...because the devs don't teach THEM the actual price of a death (but make killmails instead to reflect it).

If you want to talk about messed up programming, that's one part of it.

In EvE better skills should dictate fights, not have a scam of training all you want but some newbie can kill you the same. It makes a mockery of even having the skills in the first place.

Remove the skill system and call what EvE really is then...a FPS in space. If the death penalties is that cheap, might as well, and your high-sec will now resemble what players are turning it into. If not, skills win.

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